'Get the L Out' Statement by the lesbian protesters at Pride London

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Why “Get The L Out” ?
July 5, 2018
Angela C. Wild
Who We Are

Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and feminist individuals and organisations, opposing the increasingly anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians

Why We Protest

We believe that lesbian rights are under attack by the trans movement and we encourage lesbians everywhere to leave the LGBT and form their own independent movement, as well as to be vocal and take action against the proposed changes to the GRA.

Get the L Out believes trans politics (with uncritical support from the LGBT movement) does the following:

Promotes the social transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism – this is nothing more than a form of conversion therapy.
Promotes the medical transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone blockers, Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy bodies – these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians.
Promotes the rights of heterosexual males who “identify” as women and lesbians (despite most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new ‘queer’ LGBT politics thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian sex. This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory heterosexuality." (continues)

You seem unaware that the "c" word is considered a highly goady term on MN. It's mentioned in the talk guidelines which specifically deal with trans issues.

It generally gets deleted when applied to women as a group, especially when it encompasses the person you're speaking to. You've been asked not to use it.

It's so funnyawful when certain types of narcissist find a perfectly normal thread and treat it like their personal Webchat

cistern, when you come back, your arse will be politely handed to you for daring to suggest that a transwoman is the same as an infertile woman. HTH.

Isn't it? There are a few tonight.

Long wordsalad nonsense should not be necessary to describe stuff like who a lesbian is.

Lesbians are female homosexuals.

Lesbians in relationships with one another don't need contraception.

Feminism is about women and women's rights.

Women deserve boundaries and safety.

you must in the very least least believe that the gender of a trans-woman is female.

LOL. I will spell this out. Gender critical feminists do not believe that "gender" is an innate property so no we don't have to believe anything of the sort. The important word here is "sex". "Gender" is constructed sex role stereotypes and society's expectations around them. A woman is an adult human female. Gender dysphoria is an extremely challenging psychological condition.

FFS!

'Must' lol

So bossy these ones

Lesbian strength is a beautiful thing

Such long winded patronising nonsense from cistern. And the comment about infertile women is grossly offensive and misogynistic.

@cistern

And by that logic, a cis woman who cannot conceive children is male as well

As someone who was unable to have children, that is the most grossly offensive thing I have ever read.

Another transwomen has doxxed one of the protesters on twitter & her 'employer' is investigating. That's the 2nd I've seen & no doubt there are plenty more tweets like this on all of the protesters.

So based on this a trans-woman's gender is female. Their sex (which, if based entirely on maternal capability) is male. And by that logic, a cis woman who cannot conceive children is male as well.

Don't be so daft, Cistern. An infertile woman is not a man. And you know that, unless you still don't know where babies come from.

Sex is identified on the basis of reproductive potential. You might find it easier to think of a car and a bicycle. The car may have lost its bonnet and the bicycle may have lost a wheel but they're still a car and a bicycle, and there is nothing anyone can do to turn the one into the other.

So based on this a trans-woman's gender is female. Their sex (which, if based entirely on maternal capability) is male. And by that logic, a cis woman who cannot conceive children is male as well.

Despite this being the site with the swears, I don't like to, since its difficult to convey tone and facial expression.

But will say, as a general comment, that appropriating infertile women's experiences by TRAs is fucking out of order.

Its not uncommon either.

cistern, as I'm still up, I'll refer you to my previous post, and add, "See?"

Women who cannot conceive are not male; they were born with female reproductive systems, female physiology, female chromosomes, grew up subject to female socialisation and are vulnerable to sex based abuse, violence and inequalities.

My sister has a blocked Fallopian tube, she is still very much my sister.

If a man had a low sperm count, would you be making the same argument? No, because being male is about possessing male reproductive organs and chromosomes.

Whether the egg or sperm get through, of whatever else, does not make you change sex, any more than what you think or wear or do to your body.

So we're back to using infertile women as a gotcha, are we?

You're wrong and deeply offensive cistern. And you're not even original.

Also, the gender of a trans woman is feminine, not female.

Sex= female or male
Gender = masculine or feminine.

To pick up your argument cistern , yes, you could say a transgender woman has taken on attributes which society deems feminine. But this does not make them female.

If a woman wears ‘boyish’ clothes, then she could be seen as dressing in a masculine way. But what are ‘boyish’ clothes? They are the clothes society deems acceptable for men to wear.

The whole reason the language around trans has changed from transsexual to transgender is because human beings can not change sex (other than legally following surgery). Gender is what society deems masculine or feminine, hence can be changed.

So what I think you mean cistern is that women have ‘cis-privilege’ because they are female-bodied, they can wear what they like and still be recognised as female. Whereas trans women have to perform society’s idea of what being a woman is.

I get that, for trans women, performing what you are not is exhausting. But is it not then easier to work on self-acceptance? And if masculinity does not sit easily, challenge the constraints of that, not appropriate womanhood?

The ‘privilege’ of being able to wear masculine clothing (trouser suits, legal dress etc) is, for women, the result of hard won fights to access public roles, employment, partake in sporting activities, and civil and public life. Space which was, for generations, reserved for men. Tailored suits, whether trousers or skirts, high vis vests and work gear, all of these things give women access to previously male domains and earning capacity.

What are transgender women seeking access to by wearing feminine attire? What ‘privilege’ is with held? It’s not the right to education, or employment, or civic and public life. These are already in their grasp. It is access to female same sex spaces.

Female same sex spaces exist because being female, regardless of how one dresses, is a risk, not a privilege.

A man who has had a vasectomy is actually a woman?

Hang on, I need my coffee...

As an infertile woman who had to have a hysterectomy at 41 due to the immense "cis privilege" of my malfunctioning female biology, I can tell you @cistern, that it is completely, wholly unacceptable to weaponise me in your battle.

Your understanding of biology is woefully inadequete, you lack any compassion or common sense. A transwoman's penis becomes more like female anatomy? HOW??? A "chemical period"? What does that even mean?

I'm going to stop there because everything I type after this is just swears.

Oh, forget it. Forget being nice. Take your "your logic dictates that an infertile woman is actually a man" and RAM IT UP YOUR PIPE.

Ah, better.

As a bit of an aside, cis, when you have done as much for women's rights as Germaine then you will be in a position to criticise her. Until then you are less than the shit on her shoe.

So all (post menopausal) grannies are really.... Grandpas?

Wow 🤯

So does that make all men who have had vasectomies or cannot father children women then? If infertile women are being compared to men, surely the converse applies? I cannot believe some of the offensive things the TRAs come out with to try and argue that transwomen are women.

@Materialist and others great post. This point needs to be made over and over again, the fact that this movement is not left wing.

The gender critical feminists I know have years of activism between them -campaigning for homeless people, refugees, survivors of institutional abuse, addicts, reproductive rights, domestic violence and rape survivors, and gay marriage equality. Many are lesbians who have braved prejudice and discrimination in harsher, less tolerant times.

Yet the constant slur thrown at them is that they are right wing religious conservative bigots. It's maddeningly stupid and wrong.

Some men may be wandering about without knowing that they have a really low sperm count - and could actually be a woman.

I'm not really following the logic of this argument. So my bitch was actually a dog? No wonder it was a snappy mutt.

How do you think your approach that women are effectively castrated males compared with the old misogynist notions of the same thing, cistern?

Men used to tell us that. How does your version differ? That a penis on hormones becomes “like” female genitals, that a male who cannot gestate children because he is male is the same as a woman who cannot because she is infertile.

Because I’ll tell you, that from a woman’s perspective, I can’t fit a fag paper between them.