'Get the L Out' Statement by the lesbian protesters at Pride London

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getthelout.wordpress.com/blog/

Why “Get The L Out” ?
July 5, 2018
Angela C. Wild
Who We Are

Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and feminist individuals and organisations, opposing the increasingly anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians

Why We Protest

We believe that lesbian rights are under attack by the trans movement and we encourage lesbians everywhere to leave the LGBT and form their own independent movement, as well as to be vocal and take action against the proposed changes to the GRA.

Get the L Out believes trans politics (with uncritical support from the LGBT movement) does the following:

Promotes the social transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism – this is nothing more than a form of conversion therapy.
Promotes the medical transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone blockers, Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy bodies – these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians.
Promotes the rights of heterosexual males who “identify” as women and lesbians (despite most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new ‘queer’ LGBT politics thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian sex. This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory heterosexuality." (continues)

I think there should be caution about focus on Sadiq Kahn.

I'm not focusing on him. I don't particularly like him, but that applies to many politicians.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-44757403

Am posting because I saw TRA absolute slam this article, which to my mind show pro-trans bias. That's how complete our submission should be. One TRA tweeted about it, and the protest, that Amnesty should now arrange to fly trans people out of the UK because it's so dangerous.

How can one argue with this ? It's unhinged

R0wan and Sophocles

Long time lurker here, just popping in to reference this research about vaginal bacteria and their overwhelming absence in surgically constructed neovaginas.

No idea how to do a clicky link on my phone, sorry.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/

This may be taken as inflammatory, but I swear it's not my intention.

But it seems to me that the entire rationale underlying the insistence that "woman" cannot be defined in any meaningful way, that you should talk about "pregnant people" and not "pregnant women", that there are women with a penis is - well, a huge tantrum with biology and with biological facts.

I can perfectly understand that someone needs to live as a member of the gender that does not in principle correspond to their biological sex. And that's perfectly understandable.

But surely a trans woman would understand that they are never going to be a biological female, because (so far) it's impossible. And that they have a biological history that is different from that of women who are born females. And that that has consequences (e.g. giving birth, having breast cancer, being raped and made pregnant, etc.)

What is so controversial about that?

How can one argue with this ? It's unhinged

Utterly so. I imagine it's because they quoted the lesbian protestors in the article and let their words speak for themselves. Despite it as you say having a clear pro trans slant.

But surely a trans woman would understand that they are never going to be a biological female, because (so far) it's impossible. And that they have a biological history that is different from that of women who are born females. And that that has consequences (e.g. giving birth, having breast cancer, being raped and made pregnant, etc.)

What is so controversial about that?

You'd think, wouldn't you?

Distance, that's pretty much my take on it. When self ID comes up irl most people assume I'm pro - because I'm pretty far to the left on most topics and I'm known as being all-inclusive and anti any kind of discrimination. I've tried having reasoned debates but it doesn't work. So now I tend to stick with "biology is real".

Red, I've found being known as a woman with generally left wing views is a help. People I know have been surprised to hear I'm not toeing the Labour Party line, surprised enough to want to hear why. So I tell them.

As most people still assume transwomen are hyper vulnerable gay men who have had all the surgery, once I tell them what the situation is now they are astonished.

They soon work out the pitfalls of Self-ID for themselves.

Getthelout have just released a video of their protest on Sat!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=U0xtqIvuGzg&feature=youtu.be

Just say this petition on another thread.

www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-keep-sex-segregated-areas-sex-segregated

I love it! I wept

That video is brilliant!

Please watch. The faces of many of the people who the women spoke to and explained what they were doing were priceless. It's very clear that many people are completely unaware of the treatment that lesbians get

I learned today that marmite is owned by Unilever (who own Dove). It's all interesting isn't it?

Has anyone posted this great article by Jo Bartosch?

medium.com/@josephinebartosch/lesbian-pride-lesbian-protest-cea2c1404cc0

Yesterday I counted the women on the 2018 Pride in London website, the actual women — not the diva drag queens. In a tableau of thirteen images, there was one with some women volunteers, that’s a worse male to female ratio than the House of Lords.

that’s a worse male to female ratio than the House of Lords.
LOL!
I mean, not LOL, it’s shit- but also that that’s a very good parallel being made about male power. At least the House of Lords don’t have the front to make grandiose claims about its contributions to diversity- unlike the Pride in London committee who hailed that as a massive success for themselves in this year’s press release..

Send legal at the council l a link to sexual orientation and philosophy in the EA and a screenshot of the post.

Sorry to be a doofus, I’ve screen shot where will I find that link?
Going to get post deleted just in case.

Lesbianism = anti-trans
Caring about womens rights = anti-trans

Same shit, different day.

Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act:

(1)Sexual orientation means a person's sexual orientation towards—

(a)persons of the same sex,
(b)persons of the opposite sex, or
(c)persons of either sex.

(2)In relation to the protected characteristic of sexual orientation—

(a)a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a person who is of a particular sexual orientation;

(b)a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons who are of the same sexual orientation.

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The EA makes some types of discrimination unlawful when based on a protected characteristic such as sexual orientation. One type of unlawful discrimination is harassment:

(1)A person (A) harasses another (B) if—

(a)A engages in unwanted conduct related to a relevant protected characteristic, and

(b)the conduct has the purpose or effect of—

(i)violating B's dignity, or
(ii)creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for B.

(2)A also harasses B if—

(a)A engages in unwanted conduct of a sexual nature, and
(b)the conduct has the purpose or effect referred to in subsection (1)(b).

(3)A also harasses B if—

(a)A or another person engages in unwanted conduct of a sexual nature or that is related to gender reassignment or sex,
(b)the conduct has the purpose or effect referred to in subsection (1)(b), and
(c)because of B's rejection of or submission to the conduct, A treats B less favourably than A would treat B if B had not rejected or submitted to the conduct.

(4)In deciding whether conduct has the effect referred to in subsection (1)(b), each of the following must be taken into account—

(a)the perception of B;
(b)the other circumstances of the case;
(c)whether it is reasonable for the conduct to have that effect.

(5)The relevant protected characteristics are—

age;
disability;
gender reassignment;
race;
religion or belief;
sex;
sexual orientation.

This describes exactly what's happening.

Lesbians are being subjected to an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and offensive environment because of unwanted conduct, including sexual conduct, related to the protected characteristic of sexual orientation.

It's a misogynists dream. Get the fucker on SM told off by their boss.

Also speak to your Cllr.

Phone the council tomorrow, ask for your Cllr, then legal speak to them and ask for their email address so they have your complaint in writing.

That fucker on SM is pushing their ideology on others, encouraging a dog pile on you and breaching the law in several ways.

It is bad, isn’t it?

Yes, I will follow it up. The comments are fucking me right off. I’m reluctant to publicly speak out there

A statement from various vocak feminists and trans commentators condemning this protest:

solidaritystatement650530505.wordpress.com/