Lesbians protest at London Pride #getthelout

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These women are bloody brave, if I was wearing a hat I'd tip it to them

It's always been male/drag Queen focused though hasn't it?

Although I read that drag Queens were banned from Glasgow pride.

Pride have condemned it in a statement against the ‘anti trans protesters’

Double the number of protesters next year, then? I’ll happily demonstrate.

@Datun, from what I gathered from the person who posted on here and was part of that group it was 10 lesbians prostesting and making those statements, no doubts that there are more who feel that way but those 10 lesbians and their opinion on the matter aren't necessarily representative of what the entire lesbian population feels like. I fit the demographic you are talking about (as do many of my lesbian friends) and none of us feel pressured to be with men. Like I say, most lesbians I know accept transwoman as women, and none of us would date someone we didn't feel like dating due to peer pressure. Actually 2 lesbians I know are dating transwomen and I do not believe that it makes them any less lesbians. Most trans people I know acknowledge that dating might be more difficult for them due to not being perceived as the correct gender and all accept that it's a(n unfortunate) consequence/downside of being trans.
Is it easy for them? probably not, but they would never pressure or call someone names or transphobic for not wanting to date them.

I am obviously aware that some trans people are offended by it and want to pressure people into changing their mind, like I said, stand your ground, say no, ignore the "transphobic" name calling histeria and don't date them. I have straight men, hitting on men and trying to "turn me straight" I simply tell them I am not interested, show them where to go and move on with my life. I don't put all straight men in the same basket, write down banners and go out in the streets to protest against them all. I simply acknowledge that some people are arseholes regardless of gender/sex/sexual orientation etc... and accept that I just have to try and ignore them, because at the end of the day, I am in fucking control of my life and who I date and they can moan and call me names, it won't change shit.

I think this will be the thread that gets me banned.

Still, go ladies

Tumblr is not thrilled It must be where half the Pink News editors hang out to decide what their next headline will be.

@Linning - but isn't the whole origin of the Pride march "writ[ing] down banners and go out in the streets to protest" against people who are arseholes about someones sexuality?

The only reason why you are now able to be in control of your life and who you can date is because of people before you protesting. There are obviously some lesbian women who feel pressured to be with men who feel that they need to protest so that the too can be in control of their lives?

Actually 2 lesbians I know are dating transwomen and I do not believe that it makes them any less lesbians.

A lesbian is a female homosexual. Sexual Orientation is a protected characteristic under law and is defined as being based on sex. Please stop being homophobic.

@ThumbWitchesAbroad

I think the labelling as "anti trans" is very important. If I had read this in the Guardian with no knowledge or real interest in the area I would just vaguely think oh those people are In The Wrong. Its a very VERY influential way to reframe the debate and just so incorrect.

I feel very frustrated that there is much incorrect language being used in the media.

If your lesbian friends are dating trans women then they are in a heterosexual relationship and thereby bisexual.

Double the number of protesters next year, then? I’ll happily demonstrate.

I am Bi but would love to be at the next L fight back.

What does 'lesbian' mean if a lesbian might have to take oral contraceptives because her lesbian partner doesn't like wearing condoms, and could impregnate her?

It was the misogynist Owen Jones who gave the instruction to the dim woke army to stop saying terf and start saying anti trans. Unfortunately for those who don’t read beyond the headlines, it’s quite effective.

A lesbian is a female homosexual

What issue would a transwoman have with that?

If a transwoman thinks they are female, then surely there'd be no issue with that?

Fantastic brave women.

@Linning
Where is this utopia of which you speak, where lesbians aren’t being manipulated, coerced and forced to date and sleep with transwomen?

I will stand beside anyone, who is truly being subjugated. But this isn’t the case with aggressive transrights activists. Quite the opposite. It’s all smoke and daggers. I’m not anti trans, I’m anti the subjugation and obliteration of women and their rights.

If a transwoman thinks they are female, then surely there'd be no issue with that?

Erm yeah there is.
I am female.
I am not some thought in some blokes head!

Erm yeah there is

I think you misunderstood - the sign says "lesbians are female homosexuals"

What issue would a transwoman - who thinks they are female - have with that statement?

What issue would a transwoman have with that?

If a transwoman thinks they are female, then surely there'd be no issue with that?

Erm, the fact that they are male and not female.

The fact that these males calling themselves lesbians and trying to bully us into sleeping with them is conversion therapy, akin to corrective rape, and is rape culture.

I would imagine its the word female.
They can think it but that dont make it true.

Sorry michellefromtheresistance, I took what you said the wrong way.

Michelle

Do females have a vagaina and in most cases the ability to bear children?

Do males have a penis and in most cases the ability to produce sperm to impregnate a female?

@aaarrrggghhhh, sure and I don't disagree with them protesting for something they believe in and obviously feel affected by but it seems like their protest was against the trans population as a whole and not against the trans individuals who acts unreasonably.

to say the entire trans population is a certain way and all act in the same manneer is ridiculous, the same way it's ridiculous to say these girls represent the entire lesbian population. They represent themselves and who feel like them but that's it.

That's also what bothers me with mumsnet on trans topic, it's obvious that most people have a problem with certain kind of trans people, but end up writing inflammatory post about "trans people" making generalization until someone put them up on it and then they are like "oh but I am not talking about those trans people those are fine, I am talking about the other ones, the ones who self-id without wanting to transition." Yet their post is about trans people in general which is a totally other kettle of fish in my book.

In other words I do not disagree with them protesting for what they believe in (even though I don't personally feel identified in their claims), I disagree with the way it was done and the putting everyone in the same basket type of thing.

@YourMajestyJ Please. Not too long ago it was fine to have slaves, own people as properties and for gay people not to be able to marry. Laws can be dubious AND "surprise surprise" discriminatory, so your point being? If you want to sue me for being homophobic though, go ahead, I will be happy to go with my same-sex partner to court and discuss my blatant homophia and hatred for lesbians.

Awesome Lesbians! Cheering you on here.
And hurray for Gay Star News.
Extract:

"Only women can be lesbians. A man who has surgery can never be a lesbian.’
Sarah Mason, founder of Get The L Out, told GSN: ‘It’s a coalition of individual lesbians and feminists. It’s also feminist organizations such as Object, Mayday 4 Women, Critical Sisters and Lesbian Rights Alliance.’
She said her sexuality is seen as transphobic and exclusive ‘just because we are women attracted to women.’
‘We don’t want any kind of penis in our bedroom,’ she said. ‘I’m really sad I have to reassert this again.
‘It’s everywhere online – it’s everywhere in LGBTQ centres,’ she said"

Actually 2 lesbians I know are dating transwomen and I do not believe that it makes them any less lesbians.

Of course it does. It makes them heterosexual or bisexual. You can't just change words.

You are clearly on the way to being part of the problem, not the solution.

I have absolutely zero problem with women who sleep with both women and transwomen, but that doesn't make them lesbians.

And being a lesbian does not give anyone the right to redefine the meaning of words.

Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic under equality law. Homosexuality is defined as same sex attraction.

Not same gender attraction.

Lesbians are very definitely being told, as you have so amply demonstrated, that being a lesbian does not give them the right to refuse, en masse, people with penises.

You might very well feel confident enough to refuse sexual pressure. Many, many women do not.

But what really annoys me about this is everyone is very quick to say, oh no, you don't have to sleep with anyone, whilst maintaining that you can't refuse a biological man purely on the basis that you're a lesbian.

And that Is what this demonstration was about.