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Unwitting trans agenda allies

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Macareaux · 06/07/2018 13:39

From some of the other threads I got to thinking about who supports the trans agenda.

I think that the vast majority of men do not but equally they are not impacted by it so, with rare and welcome exceptions, they completely ignore it and get on with their life.

However women, due largely to socialisation I suspect, want to be kind and supportive to people who they believe (due to uncritical media portrayals, Channel 4 I'm looking at you) were born in the wrong body. They also support LGB so how can you not support T?

So I think part of the ongoing task is to inform other women of the reality of the issue. Our friends and family and when they get it they will discuss it with the men in their lives. Foucusing on sports and changing rooms and refuges rather than bathrooms.

The GRA consultation could be just what is needed to bring this whole thing out into the open and is a good hook to hang a conversation on, especially with so much in the media about it right now.

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YourMajestyJ · 07/07/2018 14:52

I find it really, really odd that someone who says they're a lesbian would say men can be lesbians too. But, as well all know, people lie about who they are on the Internet all the time.

I've been lurking for a while Daim and to be perfectly honest it seems obvious to me from your posts that you are actually bisexual. You may have a preference for women, but your response in another thread when someone asked about you dating a man, said it all. That and a multitude of other things you have said.

PlectrumElectrum · 07/07/2018 14:55

Lots of jawline stroking going on here...

YourMajestyJ · 07/07/2018 14:56

Datun like I said earlier there are two 'camps' of lesbians, some would be happy to hold up the sign you mentioned some wouldn't. I have no problem with the definition of lesbian being 'female homosexual' - that is what a lesbian is, but the intention of the sign is to be inflammatory towards trans women.

But you think transwomen can be lesbians?

So you must think they are actually born female, which obviously throws doubt on you and your wife actually being such.

Datun · 07/07/2018 15:01

. I have no problem with the definition of lesbian being 'female homosexual' - that is what a lesbian is, but the intention of the sign is to be inflammatory towards trans women.

See that's the gaslighting, right there. The intention of the sign is to counter what the lesbians are being subjected to. It's a heartfelt, desperate reaction.

If there wasn't a problem, saying that lesbians are female homosexuals wouldn't be inflaming anyone, would it?!!

daimbars · 07/07/2018 15:17

Okay Datun let me think of a comparison.

I have no problem with the general definition of 'parents' being 'a mother and a father'

but if you held up a banner at Pride saying 'Parents = mother + father' then it would be inflammatory towards gay parents.

That isn't gaslighting it's just obvious.

PlectrumElectrum · 07/07/2018 15:20

So by your reckoning lesbians cannot speak up to defend themselves in case they offend or inflame others?

Right Hmm

Datun · 07/07/2018 15:40

daimbars

But that's not what's happened. People have been telling 'mothers and fathers' that they are not actually mothers and fathers, unless they are the same sex.

You know this.

You know what lesbian means.

But you can't square it with your transwomen are women position.

So you either have to come out against men or come out against women.

And you've picked a side.

If it was me, the fact that I have come out against complete lack of logic would be far more worrying.

Datun · 07/07/2018 15:40

Sorry, distracted by the football, against logic, not the lack of it!

LangCleg · 07/07/2018 15:48

My chin is so itchy today!

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 07/07/2018 15:55

On the internet, nobody knows you are a potato-bian.

ScienceIsTruth · 07/07/2018 16:24

I think @daimbars actually believes that transwomen are actually real females born in the wrong body, which shines a light on their statement that daim was born a woman and is married to another born woman.

IMO, to be so blinded that you're making up your own definition of words, eg, lesbian, you must have an invested interest in it being changed.

Lesbian = FEMALE born with female physically sexed body, ie, with vulva, vagina, breasts and uterus (whether working or not) being exclusively sexually attracted to another FEMALE born who was also born with a female physically sexed body (vulva, vagina, uterus, breasts).

Basically, lips not dicks, lol. I know that's a bad joke, but I thought of it myself and I'm no comedian. Obviously!!

I actually find it really upsetting that people are lying, even about words with accrual meanings. You can't just change the meaning to suit your own agenda, words are objective, and need to stay that way.

We also need to know what they mean and all be singing from the same hymn sheet so that we can understand one another.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 07/07/2018 16:27

lang

You reckon?

Is this the jimmy hill referred to earlier? Possibly showing my age as he is the only one i know

Unwitting trans agenda allies
YourMajestyJ · 07/07/2018 16:28

Basically, lips not dicks, lol. I know that's a bad joke, but I thought of it myself and I'm no comedian. Obviously!!

I think that would make a bloody good hashtag.

LangCleg · 07/07/2018 17:08

Rufus, darling, are you old enough to have gone about at school shouting chinny reckon at everybody in honour of St Jimmy's prominent chin? I am! Wink

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 07/07/2018 17:18

Rufus you are the youngest reindeer are you not? One of the older reindeers needs to take you aside and explain Jimmy Hill's Itchy Chin.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 07/07/2018 17:23

Nah im well old

Dh hates it when i rub my chin

But for some reason my family used to say 'foo d eggy' no idea why

And its probably spelt wrong Grin

Datun · 07/07/2018 17:24

Reck-ON

daimbars · 07/07/2018 17:27

Lol @ScienceIsTruth

Me: Hey guys, it would be nice if GC feminists and liberal feminists could have a civil discussion without lesbians coming under constant attack and having their sexual orientation put into doubt.

(ScienceIsTruth comes on to attack my sexual orientation and my claim to be a lesbian)

Not sure if you are being serious or satirical, anyway it proves my point so thanks for that.

PlectrumElectrum · 07/07/2018 17:29

Er, nope, it's just no one believes a word you say Daim. Disingenuous is probably as polite as it gets.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/07/2018 17:29

but the intention of the sign is to be inflammatory towards trans women.

Wow... sorry, but that really is reversing victim and offender isn't it?

rinabean · 07/07/2018 17:42

I've found that a lot of women have no idea what this is all about. It's getting better the more the TRAs show themselves for what they are. But especially a year or so ago, all of the straight women I spoke to about it, absolutely all, thought every "trans person" was gay and that the men had all had full surgery. The idea of "trans lesbians" had never occurred to them as a thing any decent person would be supporting and they were appalled when I explained it to them. I think even now a lot of people would be confused by the term "trans lesbian" and imagine a lesbian who is pretending to be a man to evade homophobia.

I haven't had this face to face, but I've had on facebook some very staunch trans supporting straight women talking about how of course they should all be allowed to declare their gender however suits them best because of the homophobia they all face. Because even to these women who are going to be voting "yes give them as many new rights as they want", they're still all gay in their minds! They've been totally confused by the term "LGBT", which I now see was always the intention.

In a way this is horrifying because people are supporting something they don't support. But it's also reassuring in a way. For a time I really thought most of this country viciously hated LGB people, because of the supposed high support of trans. But much of that support was invented, and more is on false information. I don't know how we can explain this to people though, because people don't tend to listen to women who are feminists and/or lesbians, it's hard for them to get on the telly and radio.

Hideandgo · 07/07/2018 17:45

Bless you all and your basic interpretation of supporters of trans people 😂

Just returning some of the condescension.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 07/07/2018 18:12

PlectrumElectrum Grin

Chinny reckon is taking me back...

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 07/07/2018 18:40

If anyone online states that men can be women and that lesbians are sexually attracted to penis bearers AND THEN claims to be a lesbian I assume they're probably neither a woman or a lesbian.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 07/07/2018 18:51

If anyone online states that men can be women and that lesbians are sexually attracted to penis bearers AND THEN claims to be a lesbian I assume they're probably neither a woman or a lesbian

Good job nobody ever does that, or starts their very own 'I am a lesbian - ask me anything' thread?

Eh?

Because if they did - the lesbians answering in good faith might be a tad upset.