Alternative Definitions of 'Woman'?

[Dragoncake]

Do you disagree with the definition of 'woman' as 'adult human female'?

If you disagree, what is your own definition of the word?

A woman is....what exactly?

Is there even a definition? Or is 'woman' simply indefinable in your view?

On the 'A Woman is an Adult Human Female' thread I asked those who disagree to provide their alternative definition of the word.

Several people engaged, but nobody seemed able to do this.

If you have one, please post your alternative definition here. Thanks.

I've the years though it as grown to include people who also identified as woman so trans woman. This at this moment in time is Widely excepted in society, due to a number of factors.

No it hasn't.

No it isn't.

Exellent care to explain why you think that YourMajestyJ

Crap, I just looked up Penny Mordaunts wiki and guess what she studied at uni?

And, oh joy: 'She is a supporter of homeopathy, having signed an early day motion in support of its continued funding on the National Health Service'.

Nicely succinct your Maj. All the explaining up thread but that's what it boils down to.

TRAs are committed to a definition of woman that ignores material reality. They have to ignore and surpress both their biology and ours if they are to be women.

The logical conclusions of suppressing recognition of reality are:

Women lose in sport,

We lose the advances in medical science which are only now beginning to recognise that for example autism in women and heart attacks are different from in men. This will put women’s health at risk.

We lose the ability to organise and challenge societal norms which prioritise men: look at the TRA involvement in abortion rights and Munroe’s request that reproductive rights not be centred in the Woman’s March.

We lose to such an extent that it risks our lives. The cancer awareness campaign for cervix owners is incomprehensible to many less literate women or those for whom English is a second language.

We lose safety in public places. We begin to retreat from certain situations, we go to the gym in pairs or not at all.

We lose safety in prisons and refuges. We are left with no options

A postmodern definition of woman isn’t just a philosophical concept; it effects female reality and it removes the rights we have for our biological reality to be acknowledged by institutions.

Woman = adult human female (including transwomen)

Man = adult human male (including transmen)

How does one 'identify as a woman'?

It's really easy actually, someone says "who here is a woman?", and you say "I am!"

Voila. you just identified yourself as a woman

Literally correct.

Not biologically or anatomically correct natch.

Glitched I think you have redefined “female” and “Male”

“Woman = adult human female (including transwomen)

Man = adult human male (including transmen)

YY Ellentoro

Homeopathy?! Hahaha! I suppose it is medicine from a philosophic pov.

Thanks Beachcomber.
Men have defined the parameters of every subject. All feminist arguments, however radical in intent or consequence, are with or against assertions or premises implicit in the male system, which is made credible or authentic by the power of men to name.-Dworkin

Seeing the truth of this statement play out in daily life is what gave rise to the 8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

Apart from those assigned female at birth who say they are male. Are men deciding for them too?

I know transgender its a bugger when it works both ways int it

Transmen have found a novel way of escaping avoiding the constraints of a society built to oppress women and accommodate men

Instead of dismantling gender stereotypes imposed on women by society they chose to sidestep that particular battle and slip on the masculine version instead.

I don’t deny they suffer dysphoria. But show me a woman who hasn’t/ doesn’t hated her body?

Elletorro yep I'm sure that's why they do it. Nothing to do with gender dysphoria at all.

But show me a woman who hasn’t/ doesn’t hated her body.

I have meet many body positive woman over the years and I find them insperational that they can be outside that social pressure and be in their own bodies, though I do live with very bohemian people who have regected a lot of social norms

Gender dysphoria is ubiquitous in women (adult human females) under patriarchy. Especially during puberty.
Transmen aren't as super special, or safe from sexism, as they think they are...

Bespin, what does it mean to identify socially as a woman? Is a transwoman still a transwoman if no-one is looking?

Body positivity is a necessary reaction to society that teaches girls that how they look is more important than what they do or say.

I was one of those girls. I hated my body, it’s only after years that I decided that the problem isn’t my body it’s society. And I’m not immune to my socialisation

ALittleBitofVitriol sorry I genuinely have no idea what that last post ment. A tree in a forest is still a tree so any other thing is still a thing if no one is around it's just not observed as what it is

Transmen aren't as super special, or safe from sexism, as they think they are...

That is somththing I can see and something that I know trans men I have talked to about these things are aware of, there is a male version of gender critical towards trans men but it exhibits itself in a totally different way to this

Yes thebewilderness.

It's why the academic claptrap is not only misogynistic but also dangerous.

There is nothing progressive or new about it. There is nothing modern or rebellious about it. It is the voice of the status quo, of the social order, of power, of the class system and yet it thinks it is so edgy and right on, so radical.

There are 3.8 billion females globally.
We are the opposite sex to males.
Adults are women, juveniles are girls.

You want a social category for male people who like femininity? Fill your boots.

Pick a different word from woman. Or girl, or female. English is a rich language. Find a word or make one up.

The fact that TW targeted and claimed words that related to our sex, not theirs, was not an oopsy moment.

There is no winning this battle for males who want to be women, though, because we will always exist. Erasing a verbal distinction can't actually erase a tangible real life distinction.

So unless there actually is a plan to actually erase our inconvenient existence which gives stark relief to the lie that TWAW, then this won't end well.
Women will always exist, we will always be the opposite sex to TW and there will never be a way to erase that male and female distinction.

That's life. It's always better to accept physical reality than not.

BarrackerBarmer.

YY

It's like some sort of massive group God complex (something not unprecedented in human males).

The existence of the reproductive sexes of human beings is untouched by all this rhetoric.

Bespin
ALittleBitofVitriol sorry I genuinely have no idea what that last post ment. A tree in a forest is still a tree so any other thing is still a thing if no one is around it's just not observed as what it is

You said that the social definition of woman has expanded to include transwomen. I was asking you to elaborate. What is a woman socially? I don't think you will admit to meaning 'performs a stereotypical female gender role' because I'm sure you know the feminist response to that. If you mean, as I suspect you do, that socially woman means 'other people perceive them as women' then my question is, what if no-one is perceiving them? What if I have a different perception, if I clock a transwoman as male do they cease to be socially women? A social meaning can only exist within a social construct, and without an objective definition that social meaning is at best highly subjective and at worst utterly meaningless.

Well, fun though this is it's financial month end for me so I will leave you with my perfectly serviceable definition.

LOL what a copout, the minute your nonsense gets some serious challenge.