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The snake eats its tail: Twitter furious that Scar Jo is playing a trans man in next movie

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ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen · 03/07/2018 19:30

It's been announced Scarlett Johansson is going to play a trans-man in an upcoming film called Rub & Tug.

Apparently Scar-Jo dressing up as a man and a trans woman in the film is offensive "trans face" according to lots of people losing their heads on Twitter.

The irony is utterly breathtaking...

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insufficientlyfeminine · 03/07/2018 20:19

My favorite part of the article, "one author using more incorrect (and ignorant) language describing Gill as “sexually ambivalent.” (Note: Gender identity is separate from sexuality.)" All bolds are mine.

Pp asked if tras are a bit dim...

Waddlelikeapenguin · 03/07/2018 20:23

Ah bless...

ijustwannadance · 03/07/2018 20:28

But if they got an antual trans man to play the part then he would, for some of the film, have to be a woman which would surely be triggering as the whole reason they are trans is because they hated being a woman. Confused

I assume the kick off is because they want a trans women to play the part, but how would that work having a biological male pretend he is a women wanting to be a man?ConfusedConfused

Dwayne "the Rock" Johnston plays a man with a prosthetic leg in his latest film. The bastards should've hired a disabled actor.

They seem to forget that films need big stars to make bloody money.

ijustwannadance · 03/07/2018 20:28

*actual

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 03/07/2018 20:31

I assume the kick off is because they want a trans women to play the part, but how would that work having a biological male pretend he is a women wanting to be a man?

But wouldn't that be triggering too? Having to pretend to want to be a man, when you really want the opposite (I think, I'm confused too now)

MistressDeeCee · 03/07/2018 20:33

So they want a Transwoman to play a Transman?

I'm as confused as I'm sure they are. Do they even know what they want?

DickTERFin · 03/07/2018 20:41

I think they think it should be played by a transman. However, surely it can be played by a transman or a man as they are one and the same thing, no?

stillathing · 03/07/2018 20:49

If identity politics continues at this rate actors will only be allowed to play actors and all films will have to be films about films.....

Actually I totally agree with casting more disabled actors and BAME actors. But the irony in this instance is staggering. How can TRAs not make the very small mental leap to understanding how women feel when told they are no different from trans women.

MistressDeeCee · 03/07/2018 20:50

Ah ok I see. Since when did they care about Transmen?😕.

& yes, played by a man or Transman of course should be no issue at all. It's man playing a man.

Except that SJ playing a Transman starts from the same premise doesn't it as a Transman isn't a natal born man (am I allowed to say that?) so there shouldn't be any issue re her playing the part

Rules regulations TRA foibles..it's all confusing..

SardinesAreYum · 03/07/2018 20:57

I think the idea is that all parts for men must be played by men

And all parts for women must be played by transwomen

Sams theory as sports, AWS etc etc

So, a transman can be played by a transwoman or a man.

Menwhile, there are plenty of support roles that cunty people can get involved in - film sets often need cleaning, and even the biggest stars need food for e.g. sandwiches.

SardinesAreYum · 03/07/2018 21:03

A transman is a man.

"Presentation" is nothing to do with gender ID.

Biology is meaningless, noneistent and irrelevant.

Any sort of person can play any sort of part, because who is anyone to say what or who anyone is? On the inside. (How do they know what Scarlet Johansson's internal gender ID is?)

Meanwhile I await the day that het men happily sit down to watch a spot of "lesbian porn" featuring two strapping muscular lasses with big cocks.

TransplantsArePlants · 03/07/2018 21:07

Woman plays Woman who wants to be Man Shock!

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 03/07/2018 21:39

Sardines you are making me snort with laughter here and it isn't very ladylike.

thebewilderness · 03/07/2018 21:45

The transgender lobbyist position has been for some time that only trans persons should represent trans person in fiction or anywhere else.

When asked why this rather unusual rule only applies to transgenders the response was because reasons.

thebewilderness · 03/07/2018 21:49

Ah ok I see. Since when did they care about Transmen?
They almost always use transmen for legal precedents. There were many teen boys forcing their way into girls changing rooms in the name of gender identity rights but to go to court they finally found a transman who insisted on their right to shower with the males.

Bingpot · 03/07/2018 21:57

I'm constantly amazed at the double think that insists transgender men ARE men but but but are also totally distinguishable from men and in need of special treatment. You can't be BOTH a real, authentic man or woman AND trans. It's a contradiction.

ENOUGH WITH THE DOUBLESPEAK.

MistressDeeCee · 03/07/2018 21:58

Meanwhile I await the day that het men happily sit down to watch a spot of "lesbian porn" featuring two strapping muscular lasses with big cocks
😂😂😂😂😂😂

diddlemethis · 03/07/2018 23:16

Isn't Scarlet a professional actor? I'm confused, were the dwarves and elves in Lord of the Rings real? Is Daniel Radcliff really a wizard? Or were these parts played by, you know, ACTORS?

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 03/07/2018 23:22

I'm the authentic blob who played the blob in the film The Blob dontcha know?

FloralBunting · 04/07/2018 00:08

I'm sure they're all really ticked off about someone coming along and appropriating their existence and probably getting plaudits for it.

I'm stifling the heartfelt sobs on their behalf.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/07/2018 00:12

Hmph yes, Eddie Redmayne - did no one complain about him playing Stephen Hawking? Not only the ableism but wtf with the blatant two-cultural appropriation of a a History of Art grad playing a physicist?

thebewilderness · 04/07/2018 00:20

The transgender advocates objected to Redmayne playing That Danish Girl because he is not trangender and also the Dallas Buyers Club film had a male playing a transgender.
There has long been a problem with white washing history by casting white people instead of any of the competent actors who were of the ethnic people's whose history was being fictionalized.

Not surprised the transgender advocates appropriated the argument for their own purposes.

FloralBunting · 04/07/2018 00:25

That is pretty much the entire schtick of the TRA gang, isn't it? Have a butcher's around at what's going on and who seems to have good arguments, and hoik those arguments over to trans issues to get... whatever it is that particular TRA wants.

I say that particular one, because clearly there is no real consensus on what is wanted. Some want validation so bad they are oblivious to all else, and clearly some hate women with a venomous passion that often betrays them.

LaSqrrl · 04/07/2018 00:33

That was Jared Leto in Dallas Buyers Club. He got a lot of stick for it at the time.

Now, if I recall correctly (have not seen the film), Leto had at least one scene putting on wig and make-up. As ijustwannadance said above, the (on film) exposure without ladyface (in this case) would be "triggering" (or so TRAs keep saying).

According to TRAs:
"Transface" exists (because they say so)
"Womanface" does not exist (because they say so).

LadyJaneGreyspen · 04/07/2018 00:41

SardinesAreYum
LOLOLOL

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