The mother of Tom Daley's child

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Congratulations on a healthy baby! Hope the birth went safely and that you are recovering well.

I just hate surrogacy in case you can't tell

There was a law commissions project announced to look at UK surrogacy regulation.

www.lawcom.gov.uk/surrogacy-laws-set-for-reform-as-law-commissions-get-government-backing/

There’s another thread on this issue with some good points: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3292603-Tom-Daley-and-DH-have-a-baby-boy?pg=10&order=

'Gestational carrier' is a shocking way to refer to the biological process of growing and birthing a baby. Of course the person who does that is the mother.

MicroRNAs in breastmilk

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4661628/

@SoNotaWendy personally it would have to be a minimum of £500,000 to make me consider it, preferably more. But I also wouldn’t want the kid to contact me in the future or be part of it’s life, yet I do think the child should have the right to do that if it chooses in the future so really I’m an unsuitable candidate. Like I said, hypothetical

In the UK, paying a surrogate is illegal and there are procedures in place to stop people abusing that.

It isn't illegal in America.

This thread is basically a homophobic attack on a couple who love each other and love their child.

No this thread is a criticism of misogynist, selfish non-law-abiding men who got around UK law to rent an American woman's body, in order to design a commercial baby, fully intending to separate the poor baby from its mother at birth and these men are now audaciously shouting it from the rooftops like it is exemplary behaviour. Wankers.

Yes it is the babies I feel sorry for in commercial surrogacy, that I don't agree with, alturistic surrogacy where you say have a friend or sister or female relative having a baby for a childless lady they know, I totally agree with that. Or a surrogate that is doing it for completely alturistic reasons, that they want childless couples to experience the joy of children, as they have children of their own.

In the UK, paying a surrogate is illegal and there are procedures in place to stop people abusing that

You think there are good reasons for it being illegal?
Because they apply to a couple who resorts to the US to do this because it is illegal here.

This thread is basically a homophobic attack on a couple who love each other and love their child

Reporting for personal abuse. I started the thread and I have no interest in their homosexuality.

I object to rich people renting women’s wombs, regardless of their sexuality.
Children are being treated like commodities, especially in cases ( allegedly like Kim K) wher ethey already have children but for some reason pay someone else to have more children for them. They are being treated like fashion accessories

Gestational carrier' is a shocking way to refer to the biological process of growing and birthing a baby

Isn't it just? Although the fact the poster who used it can do so and see nothing wrong with it at least highlights just how wrong it is.

What would your price be? and your rationale for arriving at the figure.

Interesting idea! I suppose...

Minimum of UK average pay to include time to conceive, gestation, and a 3 month recovery? About £35k?

Hazard pay (current UN rate of hazard pay is £1200 per month)? About £15k?

Insurance should the hazard come to pass for mother's future needs? No idea how much that would be. £1k-£5k?

Expenses relating to pregnancy (diet, travel to appointments, aids, etc)? Current UK altruistic maximum is £15k. So about £15k?

Regardless, I'm still a big fat no to commercial surrogacy.

Do you support commercial surrogacy Aeroflot? Would it be okay to hire a surrogate from India? Or is it the fact that this is in the US (with their massive amounts of poverty, highest maternal mortality rates in the west and increasing control of women's reproductive rights) that makes it palatable to you?

I meant I totally do agree with aultaristic surrogacy, not commercial. It seems part of the I want culture, like a designer handbag. Elton John and his partner the same, the Barlow couple, Kardashians.

Sorry hot weather has had some affect on my brain.

'Gestational carrier'

Didn't take long. I'm full of contempt for the person who wrote this and anyone who thinks it.

The baby was both deprived of its mother and abandoned by its mother. That this happened was planned. I consider that to be child abuse.

Then giving your baby up for adoption by choice is also child abuse.

I remember reading about how Michael Jackson basically started picking up the baby and taking it before the umbilical was cut.

Oh god op, gestational carrier, that is awful, that makes my teeth itch. Chest feeding, mestruating person aghghgh

There is this.

She clearly didn’t want anything about herself to be public knowledge. I imagine their gratitude in private will have been overwhelming.

In a situation like this everything really doesn’t have to be spelt out in the media for the benefit of the general public

Using US surrogacy laws to bypass the UK laws suggests the woman's situation was not high in anyone's consideration.

This.

I wonder if people would be so supportive if they had gone to somewhere other than America, say India, to bypass the 'draconian British laws'?

But personally, if I used my own egg in a surrogate, I wouldn't consider her the mother at all. Birth mum, yes, but not the baby's mother.

I think there needs to be a change in law. Of course in cases where donar eggs and sperm are used etc, bio parents shouldn't be allowed to come in and say "hey that's actually MY baby", but in cases where a surrogate is using the intended generic mother's egg etc, I don't think the surrogate should be allowed to keep the baby.

I remember the Corrie episodes where Tina used the sperm and egg of Gary and Izzie to have their genetic baby for them. Then decided to keep the baby as her own. I was a teenager then and it made me so angry, I hadn't realised at the time surrogates could legally do that.

@MrsSnootyPants2018

In the UK, paying a surrogate is illegal and there are procedures in place to stop people abusing that.

This thread is basically a homophobic attack on a couple who love each other and love their child.

I don’t understand what you are trying to say by putting these two paragraphs together

Do you think that the surrogacy laws in the UK are homophobic?

People are really, really determined to make this about whether the mother should be named or not. Despite the fact that nobody, at all, is saying she should be.

I suppose "respect her right to privacy!" is an easier sell than "respect the system which allows commercial purchasing of wombs and babies!"

I think there might be some MRA here

I put 'mother' rather than mother because I don't believe you really are a mother if you conceive using a donated egg and are having the baby for somebody else. You are a gestational carrier.

That's a horrific way to think. Women aren't fucking vessels. The woman has carried the baby and birthed the baby. Of course she's the mother in the same way a woman having a baby through donor egg IVF is.