WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

So not actually generalising about trans people and ignoring transmen at all. Behold my shocked face.

(Imagine it being topped by a brick red fringe while you're at it.)

But yeah, I mean that thread is insane

Wait which thread? I could do with a dose of totally non trans related batshit for variety.

So not actually generalising about trans people and ignoring transmen at all. Behold my shocked face.

No one who heard it remotely thought she was ignoring transmen. People did laugh because it is obviously bullshit that males have periods.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3306149-To-say-kudos-to-the-Queen-for-making-her-feelings-about-Trump-subtly-clear We're all pro Trump Russian bots you know. WHich is funny cause I was in Brighton yesterday. Take my Russian bot job seriously you know.

Fantastic speech by Kathleen. Presented very disingenuously by certain posters

Even Russian bots get time off occasionally, right?

My wife is also female.

The interesting thing is that according to you, this could be a woman, born female and who looks like Barbie every day - or a man with a beard, moustache, cock and balls who just says he is a female. Your words according to your own ideology, mean nothing.

My main takeaway from those photos is that the queen is bloody tiny.

(Will now actually read thread.)

They are about discussing the potential impacts of GRA reform and Self-ID on the rights of women and girls. They are about sharing information, discussing issues and exchanging views

That's key to the WPUK movement.

It's not actually about trans people - it's about women, women's rights, and women's concerns. (gosh, imagine that, centring a women's meeting on women's issues - gosh how awfully revolutionary).

It's fundamentally about women's rights to have a say in what it is to be female - the thing I find so so disturbing about current transactivism is the masculinist assault on the basic understanding of what it is to be female.

We've been told since early early days that women are a side-effect - the "OTher" of men. THat male, men, masculinity is the default "normal." That Eve was made from Adam's rib, if you like.

No more. Women have been saying this for at least the last 150 years: no more are we the relative, secondary creatures of men.

This is the backlash.

I attended an early meeting in February in Bristol, which had to be held in secret, and had two police officers, plus private security (who were lovely lovely smiley women keeping us safe). I attended after being in danger of a disciplinary action at my job for retweeting gender-critical views. The complainants (whom I had never knowingly spoken to, and were completely unknown to me) said that if I held by my views, I should be sacked.

I was doxxed. It was scary. I wish I could be braver about speaking out, but I need my job.

So thank you JackyHolyoake and all the others here and elsewhere.

The interesting thing is that according to you, this could be a woman, born female and who looks like Barbie every day - or a man with a beard, moustache, cock and balls who just says he is a female.

If she uses the more usual definition, albeit less progressive, that female is of the sex that can produce ova she's a transphobe along with the rest of us.

She specifically used the word "female" to deny she was married to a "transwoman".

My main takeaway from those photos is that the queen is bloody tiny

I think Trump is pretty tall biggly and Melania is a model so won't be a short arse.

I was there - it was lovely to see discussion in real life rather than social media and to hear from the women that are fighting hard for our rights to be safe, our right to be treated with dignity and to maintain our bodily boundaries and sexual orientation. Kathleen Stock was excellent . A measured, fair and intelligent arguement as to why debate is needed and that it needs to be multifaceted involving legal/medical/philosophical/academic. Considering she has experienced a barrage of abuse from the activists and other academics she put across her arguments in what i believe was a neutral and respectful way. I am beginning to wish i had studied philosophy now and that i could change my sexual orientation !! There was no mocking of trans people, yes there was transwoman are not women but as stated by helen saxby 'transwomen are women' is a political slogan and to state the reverse is not an attack on individual identity / freedom to express but to challenge the ideological dogma. Transwomen are not women otherwise they wouldnt be transwomen. The only joke was in regard to transwomen having periods, now if you cannot find the humour in that, then you need help. Daimbars - you went with no other purpose but to reinforce your own narrow / prejudice viewpoint. You have learnt nothing and i really dont see why you bother engaging with anyone

Julie Birchall was there! and one of the lovely ladies who marched at pride

The two voices who spoke on the TA side were gutsy to do so but unfortunately there was no logical cohesive counter argument put forward and it ended up a bit shouty and emotional and the usual you dont speak for all lesbians catchphrase but without actually defining transwoman or lesbian which i think would be helpful to know where they coming from rather than, they are because they say they are.

Anyone who is thinking of coming to a meeting but is put off by the activism, dont be, the protesters on this occasion at least behaved well and it is their right to protest even if it is misguided or misinformed of the full facts

What strikes me about WPUK is that they seek debate and exchange in a rational measured way via fact-based argument & debate.

Which cannot be said for most transactivists, who want to close down debate, by shouting, slogans, or fists.

I think the venue was quite good in the end and well chosen. I can't see how you would have had the situation that you had in the previous videos with trans activists blocking the entrances. They also had no way of knowing who was coming in or for what reason which meant less hassle. Daim was more than a little bit wrong about there not going to be a counter protest though! There were several police outside as well.

Link to Kathleen Stock's speech so people can read and decide for themselves:

mobile.twitter.com/q_philosopher/status/1019159430699601920

i wish the women getting tearful in defence of their male friends’ right to call themselves women would realise said males would throw them under the bus at the first chance.

She specifically used the word "female" to deny she was married to a "transwoman

Lol. Tell you what, let's just stick to calling people by their sex...that will save alot of confusion...eh?

i wish the women getting tearful in defence of their male friends’ right to call themselves women would realise said males would throw them under the bus at the first chance.

When Shon Faye says 'enjoy your Erasure's...he means them too.

Also...proves Shon doesn't think he is a woman as that would be HIS erasure too.

 I feel no shame whatsoever in anything I have written.

Let's look back in 20 years time when transphobia will be seen as hateful as racism and homophobia and see if there is any shame.

Transphobia IS as hateful as racism and homophobia.

Luckily no one here is transphobic.

(notice you don't mention sexism, no one gives a shit about that)

Re: the Argus. Jody is a bloke.

oooooh, let's.

Wonder what we'll think about cowardly little trolls on the internet too. Will they be the heroes?

Yes, let's look back then Daim. You will owe us an apology.