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Schoolgirls successfully challenge imposition of all gender neutral toilets

62 replies

enoughisenoughtoday · 26/06/2018 18:07

Today's Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/genderneutral-toilets-my-daughter-was-called-selfish-for-wanting-girlsonly-loos-at-school-cwth60b2c?shareToken=9fab5475d7d35b0766e60529518947cc

This is what happens when people have to listen to girls (and women. And the comments are good.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2018 18:10

And I thought that all young people were trans allies and it was just dinosaurs who thought things like sex segregation of toilets was a good thing...

AngryAttackKittens · 26/06/2018 18:10

Well done that girl! Most people don't want unisex facilities. The majority should be able to overrule the minority in this situation.

spontaneousgiventime · 26/06/2018 18:11

Excellent. Listen up schools, girls are on the march!

Lottapianos · 26/06/2018 18:11

Good news. More of this to come I hope

Mogleflop · 26/06/2018 18:13

Brave kid.

HowWasLastnight · 26/06/2018 18:16

What a hypothetical piece. I am alright Jack!

I’ve a son who goes to a different co-ed school, with a transgender pupil in his year. His school doesn’t have mixed WCs. Instead there are a couple of single disabled toilets that can be used by everyone — much more sensible.

If they are not fucking over females, they Fuck over the disabled. Only one protected characteristic group matters
and the lowest of the low are the disabled. Angry

HowWasLastnight · 26/06/2018 18:17

Hypocritical

2rebecca · 26/06/2018 18:19

Excellent. I think the gender neutral everything has been rolled out without people considering the needs of the majority. The trans lobby has shown that if we want something we have to be loud and persistent about it. It should be possible to provide privacy for trans people whilst not affecting single sex provision where people prefer that.

BettyDuMonde · 26/06/2018 18:19

Nice write up about a brave girl who didn’t take ‘no’ for an answer.

Hopefully it will give others the courage to do the same.

Unisex has to be an ‘as well as’ provision, not a replacement for single sex options.

HowWasLastnight · 26/06/2018 18:19

Did only the transgender voice matter? What about my daughter’s voice? Shouldn’t both be listened to?

Hypocrite doesn't listen to the disabled voice, just as bad as the TRA in my book.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 26/06/2018 18:20

Well done that girl! The comments under the article are good too.

No wonder the TRAs are laying into mumsnet so hard, the tide is turning and they are loosing their narcissistic shit.

Lottapianos · 26/06/2018 18:20

'No wonder the TRAs are laying into mumsnet so hard, the tide is turning and they are loosing their narcissistic shit.'

Yep, definitely looks that way. Very heartening

Ereshkigal · 26/06/2018 18:21

Well done to her!

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LangCleg · 26/06/2018 18:24

Excellent! Brave girl. Supportive mum who went into bat for her. Brava!

And the comments are great.

Starlighter · 26/06/2018 18:25

Good on her! I don’t agree with unisex toilets anywhere, but especially at that age.

LangCleg · 26/06/2018 18:25

the tide is turning

It is. It's going to be a rocky ride but we just have to hold firm and be as loudly supportive of the brave women and girls standing up as we can.

enoughisenoughtoday · 26/06/2018 18:28

Teenage girls are on the front line as they learn to manage puberty, their changing bodies, periods, not to mention their self image and developing sexual relationships in a porn soaked world.
These girls should be so proud of themselves for dealing with this in a respectful and democratic way (note to TRAs, no bullying, no bomb threats, no masked men, no doxxing, no threats). Just a conventional petition, a school council meeting, speaking, listening and being heard - alongside a good dose of determination and courage.

I really hope there is a special place in hell reserved for those adults who put their own needs for validation / personal politics / virtue signalling above the needs of teenage girls.

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LittleLebowski · 26/06/2018 18:30

Common sense and totally obvious consequences of such a sweeping move. This is what worries me the most; a rush to make everything unisex/gender neutral just to look cool and progressive with any other consideration being steamrolled. Well done that student, but she shouldn't have had to do all that. It should have been obvious to the school leadership from the get-go.
Anyway well done her. Makes up for this old toss in the Guardian on the cruelty of excluding trans women from single sex spaces.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/26/trans-women-single-sex-spaces-cruel-impossible

LemonJello · 26/06/2018 18:34

Whoop whoop! The tide is definitely turning. Yaaassss!!

Well done that girl.

LemonJello · 26/06/2018 18:35

Well done that student, but she shouldn't have had to do all that. It should have been obvious to the school leadership from the get-go.

Couldn’t agree more. Did the school do an equality impact assessment before they made all the toilets unisex I wonder?

enoughisenoughtoday · 26/06/2018 18:40

The National Association of Headteachers promotes this for teachers : discussed here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3111547-New-batshit-NAHT-guidelines-on-trans-in-schools

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AngryAttackKittens · 26/06/2018 18:40

I feel like this may clarify things for people who're unfamiliar...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage_and_narcissistic_injury

GlitterGlue · 26/06/2018 18:53

Good for them. I’d hate to share loos at work with the men.

Typeractive · 26/06/2018 19:11

Fantastic news! What a great campaign this girl ran. I'm not surprised that her mum is so very proud of her.

Let's hope her example will inspire others to action.

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