Diva magazine is trans inclusive

[daimbars]

Statement on trans inclusion in a tweet from Diva, the UK's biggest lesbian magazine.
I'm pleased they've made their position clear, and support it.

Self ID will lead to more offences against women and girls because single sex spaces will no longer exist. The facts and the arguments that go with this are well known to you, Daim.

Please don't pretend you need it explained to you all over again. One might begin to wonder if you were being disingenuous, hoping to prod posters into saying something deletable by rehashing old debates. Though I tend to the view that the more often barmy transactivist claims are exposed to logic the better it is for women and girls.

Nobody is suggesting removing single sex spaces. The current law allows trans women to use single sex spaces as they are legally classified as women. Posters are suggesting this should be taken away because their gut instinct tells them something bad will happen.

I am pointing out this is not based on evidence, just a feeling.

It is so disingenuous to keep harping on that fear of men is the same as being afraid of a disabled person or a person of colour.

Its disgusting

Though I tend to the view that the more often barmy transactivist claims are exposed to logic the better it is for women and girls.

I don't get how a transactivist can pretend they haven't just read 50 pieces of evidence that counters their argument, that all the lurkers have also just read.

It's weird.

I am pointing out this is not based on evidence, just a feeling.

No it isn't. Nearly half of all transwomen in prison are there for sex offences.

Daim would you say you agree with Snappity, who thinks that women who have issues sharing spaces with transwomen should be able to access segregated spaces?

Snappity thinks that there should be some form of gatekeeping before allowing women to access these spaces, eg a PTSD diagnosis.

What do you think about this?

I don't get how a transactivist can pretend they haven't just read 50 pieces of evidence that counters their argument, that all the lurkers have also just read.

Too long in the 'hormone wash'?

No it isn't. Nearly half of all transwomen in prison are there for sex offences.

Since a lot of trans women have had to turn to prostitution and other sex work because they are so marginalised, is that really surprising?

Prostitution isn't illegal in the UK.

Prostitution convictions don't make you a sex offender, Snappity. 47% of male prisoners who identify as women in the UK are sex offenders.

I've even seen GC posters say 'what is needed is a crime committed by a trans woman...' as they want proof their gut instinct is correct. Which makes it all the more obvious that this is not gut instinct, just simply prejudice.

The shocking number of males identifying as transgenders currently incarcerated as sex offenders give the lie to your statement about lack of evidence as well as your fake quote and false allegation against gender critical posters on this board.
I have no idea if this shocking degree of dishonesty and false accusations is against the new improved talk guidelines, but it is certainly far outside the bounds of common decency.

I'm not sure what prostitution has to do with breaking into the neighbour's house and wanking into their teenage daughter's knickers, but there you go

Self ID will lead to more offences against women and girls because single sex spaces will no longer exist.

Single sex spaces will still exist but the balance shifts from including trans men (who are men) to including trans women (who are women) and that must surely be a good thing.

Single sex spaces will still exist but the balance shifts from including trans men (who are men) to including trans women (who are women) and that must surely be a good thing

No. Its not a good thing.

Single sex spaces will still exist but the balance shifts from including trans men (who are men) to including trans women (who are women) and that must surely be a good thing.

How someone can call this a 'good thing' right after a post about half of all transwomen in prison being there for sex offences, is beyond me.

Identifying as a woman does not change male pattern criminality. So unless you want to abandon sex segregation, your posts make no sense.

Single sex spaces will still exist but the balance shifts from including trans men (who are men) to including trans women (who are women) and that must surely be a good thing.

Snappity, as you have already acknowledged that there are women who have issues sharing with transwomen (and you have advocated for segregated spaces for them), I wonder if perhaps there is a misunderstanding about what these spaces are called?

If you call spaces that include women and transwomen “single sex”, what do you think would be a good name for the spaces you spoke about that were for women only, and don’t include transwomen?

If we can get a name for these spaces then we can all be clear what we are talking about

If trans women use female single sex spaces those spaces are no longer single sex
Trans women are males who ID as women.

I'm not frightened of transmen. They're female like me. Women are very unlikely to sexually assault other women, nor can they impregnate them.

I've seen reports that many transmen go on using women's spaces because of male violence and intimidation, and I'm not surprised. It's a bit sad that they presumably didn't accurately assess what identifying as a man might involve, i.e how men might react. Suppose it's the same as clueless transwomen being surprised they're not welcome in women's spaces.

I'm also fine with transmen in single sex female spaces

I've had my arse handed to me over this. I have no problem with trans men either.

My thoughts on transmen in the ladies loo are easily summed up:

No penis? No problem!

BettyDuMonde how would you enforce that rule? And what about prosthetic penises? Do they count?

Hey daim, what say you to Snappity’s idea upthread? Do you agree with her that women who have issues sharing spaces with transwomen should have access to segregated spaces?

Of course prosthetic penises don't count, Daim! Are you mad? Or do you think we should campaign for the exclusion of courgettes and cucumbers from the ladies too?