Group of ‘women’ attack a man

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Shared on LBC yeasterday
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Have a good look at see what you think

But if they are legally male then what law makes the police call them anything else?

Police operate by the law and should record crime. Otherwise where do you draw the line.

You cannot charge me for stealing that purse because I identified as the owner so I took it legally.

The GRA is the only mechanism to alter legality. The police surely know that. I cannot imagine how or why they would record any crime on the basis of self ID ahead of any law that makes that real.

Calling the suspect by pronouns of choice when arresting is one thing. Falsely recording the legal status of them is surely not allowed.

Indeed. These could be trans women who are demonstrating male type violence or they are men taking the piss and demonstrating the shit storm that is self id.

Either way we are told if someone says they are a tran woman then they are. So I'm happy to accept the violent attackers are trans women.

A BTP spokesman said: “The women – a 26-year-old from Romford, a 22-year-old from Dagenham and two other 22-year-olds of no fixed address – were arrested at the scene on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm, violent disorder and affray."

This is what the police have said, the police will have followed the current guidelines as Sarahconnor1 says, so there is no doubt.

Why assume they are trans and not drunken lads on a stag?

The police gave their statement to the press saying they are women, the attackers were arrested at the scene. So the logical assumption would be the attackers identified themselves as woman and so the police and press need to refer to them as such.

If it was stags dressed up for a laugh it would be reported as such because they would id as males.

How many Guardian readers will sign a petition to get this gang into a women's prison?

"I agree. As far as I'm aware, trans women don't tend to hang around together like that"

Well that depends. In many countries, they most certainly do.

Here's exactly that sort of thing happening in Indonesia.

coconuts.co/jakarta/news/waria-power-group-transgender-women-jakarta-catch-turn-alleged-thief-police-video/

" - the whole point, surely, is that you see yourself as a woman and therefore you spend time with women. "

Well we don't know that, do we? They might identify as any of a number of things.

The problem is that the trans lobby has decreed that 'transwomen are women', and that's the final ruling.

However clearly some would prefer to identify as 'transwomen', or as 'transvestites', or any number of other things.

It's not a given at all that they identify as women. In Thailand they would identify as 'ladyboys', which is separate from either men or women.

This sort of magic where suddenly you are a woman if you say so is a rather specific brand of Western liberalism.

"It seemed much more likely to me that they were a bunch of blokes dressed up as women for the bantz or perhaps as a deliberate disguise. This makes it even sillier for LBC to refer to them as women."

The POLICE are describing them as women. It would be wrong for LBC to go against that.

Note that the source is 'thestreetblogs' on instagram, which is currently private but doesn't look like the sort of place to be politicaly correct.

TRA are in a bind here, surely. They must be hoping for a 'not true trans' narrative, but if these men self identified, then where does that leave them?

The POLICE are describing them as women. It would be wrong for LBC to go against that

Why?

...where does that leave them?

Blaming the assaulted C** teenage male.

The GRA is the only mechanism to alter legality.

Wait. I thought all you needed was a deed poll to change your name and sex on your ID. If your ID says you are a female with a penis the police and news will record you as female.

In case no one noticed, this is what we have been talking about for months. All you need do is state you are gender reassigned on a deed poll to request a new name and sex on your DL.
That is the part of the law that says intent to change gender makes you transgender.

"Calling the suspect by pronouns of choice when arresting is one thing. Falsely recording the legal status of them is surely not allowed."

TRAs are incredibly aggressive in pursuing this point. Any time the police 'misgender' someone who is legally 'M', but identifies as 'F' they will go on a PR campaign against the police.

www.cjr.org/criticism/transgender-murders-news-journalism.php

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/05/23/dallas-police-identify-and-misgender-trans-woman-found-dead-in-a-creek/

To echo those above, where are all our familar posters to come and defend 'TWAW' stance?

There are some threads where familiar posters appear as if summoned by a 'transrights' alarm that's triggered. But here.... Strange how they choose some threads and not others!

Stares into the void....

"Why?"

How do you suppose the newspapers are to verify the legal gender of these violent thugs?

How many Guardian readers will sign a petition to get this gang into a women's prison?

Owen jones and the 3 people he hasn't blocked on Twitter yet.

As with previous reports of this type like. The female shooter it would be better to wait. Until the facts are in on this case then we can have a proper discussion around this. I will happy condemn these woman trans or not for there behaviour but I will want to know the full details before I jump to conclusions though this does not appear to be self. Defence and whatever happened prior to the video this is far past any reasoned behavior.

This is all you need to change the sex on you driving licence

If you’ve changed your gender, sendDVLAone of the following:

adeed poll
a statutory declaration
yourgender recognition certificate

Bespin - You look at that and see ladies? Ladies stomping on someone?

Actual biological ladies? Really.

Now that IS a cool story.

What full details could possibly make this type of violence ok? Why wait to condemn it?

"The GRA is the only mechanism to alter legality."

Not really.

The procedure to obtain a transgender passport is one of the following:

1. doctor's letter confirming intention to live in new gender OR
2. GRC OR
3. birth certificate in new gender (this follows a GRC, so basically the same as 2)

If you have a passport saying 'Female', then that's good enough for most people.

The police surely do not these days assume sex from a driving licence? Especially in these circumstances and the times we live in.

It is perfectly legal to ask to see a birth certificate to prove identity and to contact the relevant officer who holds the original birth certificate of any transsexual who has changed theirs so the birth identity is known.

Investigating crimes could not happen otherwise.

It is highly unlikely these 4 all have GRCs. But they can be asked to prove identity if it is in any doubt, as seems possible here.

How much more ludicrous can gaslighting even get?

Also the Equality Act describes as protected those undergoing 'process' of going through gender reassignment, which doesn't mean anything specificc, so in general terms putting on a dress is MORE than sufficient to be considered transgender.

There is then anti-discrimination legislation, transgender hate crime, and so on, so it is not surprising that the police have gone with a 'anyone who says they are a woman, is a woman', approach.

There doesn't seem to be anything to be gained for the police in accurately describing violent male thugs as violent male thugs, if they say they are women.

Caitlyn, Passports are not a legal change of sex. You cannot use one to change your birth certificate.

You can only do that with medical diagnosis and a GRC.

So whatever a passport or driving licence says if the police suspect they might be male they can and should ask for evidence to the contrary and legally it will not exist if they do not have a GRC.

The problem with waiting for the facts to come in is that there is no longer a consensus on what constitutes a fact.

Come on, the police get their training from the likes of Gina Denham (check google) and Stephanie Hirst. www.bbc.com/news/uk-37790773

If you are a police officer liable to be SACKED for racism/misgendering/religious bigotry and have been subject to hours of diversity training then you would be INSANE to do anything other than describe violent men in dresses as women.

That's just how it works.