Group of ‘women’ attack a man

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Shared on LBC yeasterday
here
Have a good look at see what you think

I hope the young man who got stomped on is OK.

LBC et al are saying that someone's internal understanding of their identity is more important than:

1. Accurate identification of an assailant
2. Other people’s safety
3. Reality

Smells like totalitarianism

How do you mean LBC et al?

LBC and the others. I think it’s in the Metro and the Sun? Also would include BTP and police.

Someone has trained them that the individual’s rights to choose their gender supersede society’s rights to identity and report observable reality.

I don’t think there’s any other protected characteristic which champions the preferences of the individual over the needs of society to identify reality

Society is lost.

Nearly all of the comments on the LBC site are having a go at the station for wrongly stating that the assailants are women. Everyone with eyes can see they're men in dresses.

Why assume they are trans and not drunken lads on a stag? Why do we need to pussy foot around - what if they ran off and the police tried to issue a statement to capture them?

Not being able to say ‘man/male’ in this case would really not help in their identification would it?

However ‘late teen to early twenty, long black hair, male person wearing a black mini dress and stilettos (possibly with blood stains)’ would be a very good description.

Given that under 3000 transwomen have a GRC how likely is it than any of these thugs, let alone all 4, have one?

The crime stats surely HAVE to be based on that, or what is the point?

If they are legally men they surely will be charged as men.

But again this shows the danger of self ID. The media and police tiptoeing round reality on the presumption they have to because of self ID.

It is not law yet and hopefully never will be. But someone needs to remind them of that.

The police CAN ask to see their birth certificate - the original one - even if they have a GRC and had the certificate changed.

Again someone should remind them of that.

Society is bamboozled right now

Those in positions of power are scared to make any judgment calls as they will be targeted. The fear is palpable and the desire to turn a blind eye is very dangerous.

This is how totalitarian regimes succeed

So any man can.m now dress like a —stripper— woman and commit a crime and it be registered as being committed by a woman? Under their ‘woman name’?

How can you then tell the Joe Bloggs, neighbour wasn’t the Josephine Da Loggia who was in the local paper for having bottled someone in the pub last week?

It's funny though because I can't remeber when I have ever seen a gang of biological women kick the shit out of a man with that much aggression and brute force.

They were actually STOMPING on him. I mean, who does that?

Why the fuck do they get described as women? Simply because they are wearing a dress?

Is the Pope a fucking woman?

The crime stats surely HAVE to be based on that, or what is the point?

The stats are not based on that - that is the point we have been making since the first 'female' reported male crime came out.

It is fucking disgusting...

It’s one thing to sit through the “woke” training and take it on board in the abstract. It’s quite another to have to write a report that compels to lie about what happened to you

This is an interesting point. I have a police officer friend I may ask

Why assume they are trans and not drunken lads on a stag?

I agree. As far as I'm aware, trans women don't tend to hang around together like that - the whole point, surely, is that you see yourself as a woman and therefore you spend time with women. It seemed much more likely to me that they were a bunch of blokes dressed up as women for the bantz or perhaps as a deliberate disguise. This makes it even sillier for LBC to refer to them as women.

And I also wonder what transactivists and genuine trans people feel about this? Isn't it rather galling to see a bunch of masculine looking blokes in drag referred to as "women"?

What if it was a planned attack in disguise? They have taken the police for fools if that is the case?

Just been on twitter, TRA have gone very quiet on this one.

I was expecting some 'don't misgender' replies to all the people pointing out they were biologically male or 'geezers' as one person said. But no not a word.

"You could have reported that story quite well without using any sex descriptors at all.

A gang beat up a person "

Well that depends. The old adage is 'dog bites man is not news, man bites dog is'.

In general criminals are male. Violent criminals more so. So if the criminals are male, the 'male' adjective is largely redundant. So it's not very good reporting to describe the gang without the word 'women', IF they are in fact women.

Which of course they are not, but that's a bigger issue.

Hackmum

If the police report says women they must have self identified as that when arrested.

If the police report says women they must have self identified as that when arrested.

Thus demonstrating perfectly the folly of self-ID. Excellent.

When PP asked about how witness appeal boards would read, or how witnesses would give their statements, it put me in mind of the social conformity experiments.

Asch Conformity Experiments

"The Asch conformity experiments were a series of psychological experiments conducted by Solomon Asch during the 1950s. The experiments revealed the degree to which a person's own opinions are influenced by those of groups. Asch found that people were willing to ignore reality and give an incorrect answer in order to conform to the rest of the group."

There's always well-founded criticism of how well this would transfer to a 'real world' setting. There may well be interesting added complexity around incidents like the one in the OP. When it comes to the intersection of realities, it's like the phrase Mythbuster Adam Savage popularised, "I reject your reality and substitute my own!".

Can't wait to hear what all the posters who call GC women bigots and transphobes have to say about this.

If they ever show up. Might be waiting a while...