Posters jumping before they're pushed

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Well MNHQ we have the start of the exodus. Posters leaving due to these new guidelines that throw women under the bus.

A poster has deleted their account today due to the upset and stress of getting a strike for saying something that is 100% true. We know it's true because TRA's posted it on Twitter themselves, yet we post it and it's kick off time at HQ

It's a fucking disgrace HQ WOMEN are your target audience yet you don't give a fucking shiny shit about us. Not a fucking shit and it stinks.

More and more women will leave and you will be left with nothing more than people who present as opposite to their birth sex sitting posting about heels, make-up, clothes and fucking knitting.

Good luck with that one.

I love it when people against feminism give me a to do list.

Gosh, I do get the disappointment, really I do. These New Rules are at best subjective, at worse draconian, and pretty much hostile to the (regular) users at FWR.

I think it clear that actual feminism is no longer welcome on the board/site. It has happened a number of times in the past, and I cannot see that it is recoverable from its current position. Ironic that the tide is turning on the T-Borg.

For MN, they won't feel the full implication of their decision for a while to come, not until the Breast Feeding forum gets 'rebranded' Chest Feeding, and all sorts of other nonsense. Then, most of those (ordinary, non-feminist) users will Peak Trans. Then it will be too late for the site. Actual women will leave in droves. Then and only then, will MN realise what a mistake they have made. Sure, it may take a year or two, but gradually, site hits will decline, and so will revenue. So be it.

Totally I agree. Go to The Other Place. Re-group. And come back stronger to a new, public forum after that.

Damnthatonestakentryanother2

Being female not a choice.
Being a bullying man is.
So if you really find being a bully so stressful, there's a really simple solution...
... Just stop!
That's all you have to do!
Stop the hatred. Stop the lies. Stop the abuse.
Easy. And if you want to be an activist about something, be an activist about something useful -- campaign against FGM, or in favour of better education for girls, or support for the victims of domestic violence, or to stay in the EU, almost anything that doesn't involve dismantling women's rights just for your amusement.
You will feel much better for it.

All these people who see no problem with burly men in women's toilets, changing rooms, prisons, wards and refuges

IN RL a lot of people assume it means a third space - male, female and mixed or the idea is so bats shit out there it won’t ever happen.

I was fine with changing villages at swimming pools - it's much better for me taking all the DC swimming right until I went to a slight further out pool with an absolutely terrible set of changing village style cubicles - huge gaps around base, top and sides - My DD1 12 and DS 11 weren't comfortable changing only happy as fairly quiet got stall next to one another and I was on hand.

I notice many women and few men not using empty cubicles but getting changed in the loos off the village.

I think there an assumption of well-designed or well managed areas when reality is going to be more Barbican style faculties where they stuck gendered neutral signs up meaning women loos were even busier means even longer queues then management acting surprised when people are upset at encountering entirely predictable problems.

Saw same the mixed sex loos in nightclub in nearby Bristol – the surprised a man would take opportunity to follow a woman into loos break down door to sexually assault. Seem to be same with all safe guarding TBH -on this issue – oh that’s just scaremongering – something happens oh were so shocked and surprised that happened

On the subject of changing rooms. On another thread I asked @NatLuc if my six year old granddaughter was in a changing room and as she does disrobes and runs around in the nude. Should people who present as opposite to their birth sex be allowed in there when my DGD is in there naked.

I don't believe they answered.

Hands up who responds well to lordly instructions?

I'll campaign about whatever the fuck I like, whenever the fuck I like, however the fuck I like. As I see fit.

At the moment, I choose to prioritise the rights of women and girls. End of.

LangCleg
Hands up who responds well to lordly instructions?

Thanks for the water right down my front Lang...

By "well" do you mean with a lot of swearing? Because I'm pretty good at that.

I also enjoy swearing. I can't imagine why I forgot to swear upthread there. How remiss of me.

Shitfuckpisswankcuntandbollocks.

There. The universe has righted itself. Thank heavens for that.

Oh. Oops. I didn't forget to swear.

If you had forgotten I'd be a bit concerned!

Always a silver lining in every (fucking) cloud. An opportunity to (fucking) swear is always (fucking) welcome.

(MNHQ - my usual disclaimer! Please don't smite me! I'm only mucking abaht! Swearing is funny!)

Lang - Totally un-sweary comment.

Me - R U UK hon?

Posie Parker asks:

"Does my 11year old daughter have the right to go into a female changing room and not see an adult penis?"

speech here:
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=CvdJ1VEdC7I

@NatLuc refuses point blank to answer my question. They post merrily about how they go into women's spaces with the 'wrong plumbing'. However they refuse to say if they feel this is appropriate where a young girl may be naked.

Things that make you go hmm......

Times article:
'Gender‑neutral toilets: My daughter was called selfish for wanting girls‑only loos at school'

(extract)
"She told me that it was to cater for transgender or transitioning children. And rather than just make a couple of toilets unisex (I had no idea how many transgender pupils there were in her school), the school changed the lot. My daughter told me that other girls in the school felt equally outraged and I wasn’t surprised. I dislike unisex toilets even as an adult, but imagine being a teenage girl having to open a sanitary towel or tampon with a boy in the cubicle next door. No, no and no. Girls need privacy" (continues)

"Talking of boys, I asked my daughter how her male counterparts felt about the new loos. “They’re pervs,” she joked. “They’re delighted. They’ll probably drill holes in the walls.”

My son (a non-perv) agreed that mixed toilets wouldn’t bother him either, but many of the girls shared my daughter’s views, as, it turns out, do most of my female friends. One suggested that mixed toilets could even promote promiscuity among older children. Call me old-fashioned, but the notion of not having personal space when you’re going through puberty is nonsensical whatever your gender. Where should we draw the line?

The weeks passed and my daughter — along with others who were unhappy with the new loos — kept complaining, but their complaints fell on deaf ears. They were told to put up and shut up and think of others. As a parent, this felt wrong. Did only the transgender voice matter? What about my daughter’s voice? Shouldn’t both be listened to?

My daughter saw red. She started a petition for boys, girls and gender-neutrals to sign. Hundreds did. She insisted that a school council meeting be held and unisex toilets discussed. They were. And you know what? Eventually hers and other unhappy voices were listened to. And against the odds the toilets were quietly changed back to how they had been, with a smaller provision of unisex toilets kept for those who choose to use them...." continues

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/genderneutral-toilets-my-daughter-was-called-selfish-for-wanting-girlsonly-loos-at-school-cwth60b2c

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3289344-Schoolgirls-successfully-challenge-imposition-of-all-gender-neutral-toilets

Lang - Totally un-sweary comment.

Me - R U UK hon?

I'm such a navvy!

FINALLY WE HAVE AN ANSWER

@NatLuc has admitted as a person who presents as opposite to their birth sex and has the 'wrong plumbing' they should NOT be around girl children in an intimate setting.

I'm assuming Natluc will now, no longer use women's facilities.

I think you're misreading that actually, possibly because of a clumsy double negative.

Am I? Possible - heatstroke.

I think it was I don't agree that I shouldn't...not enough caffeine yet today though so it may be me misreading.

It says a lot about you as an individual that you regard blatant law-breaking as something to be praised, and the possibility of an employer taking disciplinary action against gross misconduct as a bad thing.

The 2nd rule of misogyny has not yet been codified into law in the UK, creepy d00d. Not for lack of men trying.

Kitten, you are absolutely right.

"Short answer - Yes, I believe there is no problem with me being near your DGD in a changing room. As for the other thread we were talking in, patronising you was not my intention."

Ok, that's fine. So a person who has male genitalia is ok around my granddaughter? Oh no! This is war.

If you think pissing off the mums is bad just wait to see what happens when you piss off the grans!

Actually you should post this on Gransnet.

Is there a reason why I'm not allowed to know of the other place?