Posters jumping before they're pushed

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Well MNHQ we have the start of the exodus. Posters leaving due to these new guidelines that throw women under the bus.

A poster has deleted their account today due to the upset and stress of getting a strike for saying something that is 100% true. We know it's true because TRA's posted it on Twitter themselves, yet we post it and it's kick off time at HQ

It's a fucking disgrace HQ WOMEN are your target audience yet you don't give a fucking shiny shit about us. Not a fucking shit and it stinks.

More and more women will leave and you will be left with nothing more than people who present as opposite to their birth sex sitting posting about heels, make-up, clothes and fucking knitting.

Good luck with that one.

Hey dolphin, it's not the Other Place that people keep referencing but are you familiar with 4th Wave Now? That site is full of parents in the same position as you so might be a good source of support.

4thwavenow.com/

Also for Dolphin - a support group for gender critical/TRA ideology questioning parents of gender questioning children. UK based, 900 members!

gendercriticalresources.com/Support/

Speaking (carefully) with friends and colleagues, I think it’s very much more the latter.

I don't know anyone in my personal circles who wants to get rid of sex segregation in toilets and changing rooms.

I have asked some. Others no but I feel I know them well enough to state that they wouldn't.

It's still not a normal occurrence in most places for males to access female spaces. Which is why they are often complaining on Twitter etc about being challenged.

Nobody I've spoken to about unisex facilities thinks it's a good idea other than the one very keen young activisty type who thinks it would be great for the genderfluid/agender contingent (apparently everyone else being uncomfortable isn't a problem because they'll still be less uncomfortable than the genderfluid/agender person would be when forced to pick a space).

Great question Pacers. All these people who see no problem with burly men in women's toilets, changing rooms, prisons, wards and refuges...just HOW do you manage to be so relaxed? HOW do you come to the conclusion that all will be fine and no woman or girl will be unsafe, ever?

Have you seen how the "can I take my 10yr old boy into the women's changing area" type threads go on AIBU? People dont want mixed sex facilities.
I think part of the problem is people have no idea what is going on & the the other part is they think it means no longer functioning male bodies going into the women's changing room. We need to get the stonewall umbrella out there.

To demonstrate how ingrained the preference for single sex changing areas is, my bestie is completely nonchalant about sharing an open pool at the hot springs with men (she's Japanese and grew up with it), but appalled by the idea of having to share the changing room in which everyone strips off and showers before going into the pool itself with them. Says that having someone potentially watch you shower is far more intimate and therefore violating if you'd rather they not do so, and also immediately raised "this is an enclosed space in which someone could trap you" concerns. So even if you normalize the idea that men and women will be naked together in some public spaces women still expect other spaces to be sex segregated and stay that way.

(I think most men do too actually, it's just that for them it's about privacy only and not fear, and also they aren't as used to having to defend their spaces, which is why ManFriday is proving so effective.)

Had a great chat with two shop assistants the other day. Mentioned about the Markies change rooms allowing men in and they were shocked. 'That's so wrong because men is men and women are women' one said. Frankly I don't know why we need these long threads because that says it all.

Not going to mention the shop. They would be fired. How bad is that.

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Also some of those threads about boys in changing rooms are ridiculous. "My son is 13 but I don't feel like he does a good job of washing his hair by himself, why are all you other women being so misandrist? Why can't I bring him in with me? He's only little!"

Hi, can someone please pm me with the link to the private group please? I have been a member her since pretty much day 1 under various accounts and usernames but would like to explore different platform for discussing my concerns as it doesn't seem as if this is a safe place to do so anymore.

Many thanks x

Also some of those threads about boys in changing rooms are ridiculous. "My son is 13 but I don't feel like he does a good job of washing his hair by himself, why are all you other women being so misandrist? Why can't I bring him in with me? He's only little!"

I've had experience of this real life too. It's as if sex segregation is a privilege not a right. People act as if any space is for the use of males as they see fit. If the allow us sex segregation, we can have it, but they retain the right to withdraw it at anytime.

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Great question Pacers. All these people who see no problem with burly men in women's toilets, changing rooms, prisons, wards and refuges...just HOW do you manage to be so relaxed? HOW do you come to the conclusion that all will be fine and no woman or girl will be unsafe, ever?

Particularly after #metoo. And no, the fact that certain evil men will do it anyway isn't good enough. Because strip away social convention and sex segregated spaces and they'll do it even more.

Could I please have a link to the other place? I'm a frequent namechanger, but happy to provide twitter handle or something to a regular.

Hi, I can't post much at the mo as I have a newborn and 5 year old (will be less in the summer!) but would like to keep in touch with the conversations.

This board has meant so much to me and had helped me to become a rad fem and see sexism so clearly across many areas of life. Two boys now so I'd like to keep up with things.

Could someone please pm me where you're all going (me we?) or a fb group etc. I've been on mn since 2011 under other names, on this board under several names (when I was more scared) and this one.

I very much hope people don't fully leave here however as I think it's unbelievably important to keep things going here for new lurkers and visitors.

I get the new rules are pants and why people want to talk elsewhere; I would like to say that due to outspokenness here my perceptions have been challenged and ideas changed - of hope that while jumping through lexical hoops that This would continue here.

"blatant law-breaking"

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I think we are all bored of you now damn. It's the upside down logic. Gets old really quickly.

I really don't like being told what to do, It gets my damn heckles up!