Had a reply from CRUK re "cervix havers"

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(Longstanding donor, I emailed them following this article: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/smear-test-campaign-drops-the-word-woman-to-avoid-transgender-offence-263mj7f6s?shareToken=84b68d81ce844a6f55b8e64b9a36757b)

The meat of their reply as follows.

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We want to make it clear that this is not about disengaging women from the screening programme, or eradicating the word women. It’s our duty to make sure that everyone who is eligible for this screening programme knows about it. Research shows that cervical screening prevents at least 2,000 cervical cancer deaths each year in the UK so it is vital that we raise awareness that Cervical cancer develops in anyone who has a cervix.

In addition to this, screening might not be relevant for all women such as those who have had a full hysterectomy. We phrased our information on cervical screening to reflect this. Some women identify as men but still have a cervix, so we wanted to make it clear that they would still need to be aware of the screening programme.

We do always welcome feedback and so I do thank you for getting in touch. We definitely want to ensure that our messaging is as accessible as possible for lots of different audiences and do not want to discourage anyone who has cervix from the screening programme. We will make sure that’s considered for future communications.

Based on this I have now decided to withdraw my donation from CRUK and support a charity that focuses specifically on female gynae cancers instead.

"Do you believe humans can change sex?"

I didn't have to change sex - I was already female.

"Even though, they aren't allowed to be told."

Oh come on. Have you really managed to pull that out of my comments? I think you should re read the thread.

Perhaps i need to put this message across with flash cards done in blunt crayon, or interpretative modern dance

I want to see the dance

"Either certain body parts are connected to certain sexed bodies or they are not."

You mean my prostate is a male part but my breasts are a female part? What does that make me?

I didn't have to change sex - I was already female.

But you transitioned? From what?

wakame by what defintion/ science are you female?

I mean, what is it that you have that makes you think/ know you are not male?

or dont have?!

Cripes only u would know the answer on that one

Just ask urself

We can’t answer. We are just strangers on internet tbh

You mean my prostate is a male part but my breasts are a female part? What does that make me?

sardine does not say or mention breasts. male humans have breast tissue and a structure that is a breast. They are analagous structures in both sexes even though they are not entirely the same

Some organs and tissues are sex specific.

Men and women both have breast tissue and both can get breast cancer.

If you mean that you have had breast augmentation, that doesn't turn them into the same as female breasts.

By what process has having your chest augmented with breasts that look like ones a woman might have, made that part of your chest a "female part"?

It's something that has been done to make it look female, surely.

Plenty of women have flat chests as well, not sure how that fits in with your narrative.

"AS YOU HAVE SAID body parts like penises or clitorises or prostates are nothing to do with male / female / man / woman, a man or a woman could have any selection of parts "

You're trying too hard. Let me explain most men have penises and prostates, most women have clitorises and Skene's glands, but a small number of women have penises and prostates, and a small number of men have clitorises and Skene's glands.

This is that black and white thinking again.

Always comes back to tits, seems.

"But you transitioned? From what?"

From having a masculine body and male legal and social identity, to having a feminine body and a female legal and social identity.

"I mean, what is it that you have that makes you think/ know you are not male?"

A female gender identity.

Yes therefore

And according to the communication you have sent to CRUK

The words male / female should be decoupled from body parts like prostate / cervix.

You literally said you had written to them asking for them to stop referring to men.

Taking your ideas to their logical conclusion is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and to ask, what the medium to long term plan is around this if you and others agitating for these changes succeed.

"a feminine body"

uh-huh.

I was already female.

If you were identified as male at birth and you now identify as a woman then how are you a trans woman if you were already female?

Please stop doing this Wakame You appear by your posts to be identifying as a bundle of contradictions.

And cervical cancer is a serious issue, like testicular cancer. Both are a young person's disease and are easily treatable. But if left or ignored, the consequences for both sexes can be devastating.

wakame please can you answer the question that has been asked of you about in what way/ defintion or your own words, do you come to think you are already female.

You have stated it several times and I would genuinely like to know how you arrive at the thought that you are not just a woman but also female.

We cannot discuss properly unless we know what you mean.

"Men and women both have breast tissue and both can get breast cancer."

Men and women can both get prostate cancer too:

www.healthline.com/health/women-health/female-prostate-cancer

"If you mean that you have had breast augmentation"

No - I have a very happy 36 B from estrogen alone. And I also have a normal amount of glandular tissue according to my last mammogram. Who knew that estrogen would grow breasts!

"Plenty of women have flat chests as well, not sure how that fits in with your narrative."

It fits perfectly with my narrative - it kind of sums it up. You might want to re-read my comments before you answer that.

A female gender identity.

Something quite indefinable, which is neither necessary nor sufficient to make someone a female.

One of the problems with this kind of messaging is that it shows the disconnect in knowledge and attitude between the medical/scientific side and the people who run the campaigns.

As I said in the original thread on this, a part of my job is writing and editing and checking patient facing documentation for trials. This blurb would not have passed our processes because it’s not clear (and it reeks of POMO woke bullshit, but trying to be charitable and critique it just from a functional point of view...) it doesn’t do what it sets out to. It’s a poor bit of communication.

Absolutely. I'm afraid all of our third sector orgs have been infected with this social constructionist bullnonsense. Elite social closure has meant that even our bloody charities are blind to their own service users.

There is no point aiming public health campaigns at woketopians who are hyper aware of services and resources they can access and are already monopolising more than their fair share.

This is really not complicated - a trans woman who is fertile is a fertile woman, and a trans woman who is infertile is an infertile woman

Well, no.

A fertile female will be able to release eggs from her ovaries and have them fertilised by the male sperm.

A fertile female will have sperm that are capable of impregnating said egg.

A trans person (male identifying as female in this context) may well have male fertility, but as trans, they will not and cannot get pregnant, so they cannot have female fertility.

Trying to bend proven, observed scientific facts simply to validate a personal sense of stereotypical being (aka "I feel like a woman") does not change that scientific reality. And it runs the very serious risk of confusing the issue for others (e.g. the people who don't understand what a cervix is, for example)

X post Wakame thank you.

But I am confused... female means of the xx sex/ genes. Woman means adult human female, and now legally if holding a GRC can also mean a male XY who has transitioned to their gender identity of woman.... but female and male refer to sex genes/ chromosomes, xx and XY.