Fiona Broadfoot - The Queen’s endorsement of the exploitation of women is devastating

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www.feministcurrent.com/2018/06/20/queens-endorsement-exploitation-women-devastating/

"worked for charities as a volunteer helping sex workers "

How many other jobs in the UK have charities set up to help the people who do them?

Job like any other, like fuck it is.

Still waiting for the Abstract Catsandkids

How many other jobs in the UK have charities set up to help the people who do them?

Good point sardines.

I don't think many people will be disappointed the Queen does not go around the country opening brothels somehow!

The funny thing is this idea of choice isn't followed up in studies. Whilst you are in a situation where you are hostage to circumstances then the only way to survive is often to mentally say it's something you are happy with, that you are in control, that it empowers you or that you are free to stop doing it anytime.

What you are better to do is to ask people who have ceased to continue doing it. From a basic methodology point of view if nothing else.

If it's really as great as it's made out, then these women will have no long time problems arising directly or indirectly from sex work and will have no regrets at all and will encourage others to do it.

It seems the only people who really support it as a career choice, are those who don't have to do it and can afford to say they'd support their daughters doing knowing full well that the likelihood of that situation ever arising is remote.

This is another site recording the words of punters describing their experiences with women.

How anyone can argue that this is a good career choice is beyond me.

the-invisible-men.tumblr.com/

YY Red.

In some parts of Liverpool, women are selling themselves for less than £5.

Imagine being so desperate for £5 that men exploit the their desperation, then afterwards the women is unfairly labelled while no one mentions the scummy man.

As I said in a previous thread, legalisation isn’t about helping women, it’s about reducing shame for men.

The invisible man is simply horrifying.
To think anyone would consider legalising anything related to the purchase of sex is simply astounding.
We need harsher penalties and such more support for these poor women.

Reading the invisible man made me feel sick. It’s horrific.
How can people defend prostitution as a valid career choice after reading that. And for their own daughters. Dreadful.

Oh look, another man who has no floor m in the game showing how woke he is by standing up for student prostitution.

It’s like an alternate universe.

mobile.twitter.com/MthrMalkin/status/1010520058102272000

There was that guy who "came out" as a man who buys sex on twitter recently and lots of congrats and you're so brave.

Weird.

This is the trunaround on the efforts to open up conversations about sex and stuff that women did in the 80s, hoping that more openness would lead to better sex all round. All the cosmo stuff. All the talk about women's bodies and orgasms and breaking those tabboos. As usual patriarchy turns it around on us, "sex positive" now means ra ra ra for the global trade in often underage / forced flesh, usually female. Awesome job boys.

" it’s about reducing shame for men."

Yes this

PLus

Capitalism.

I remember that Sardine. It was absolutely stomach turning. People were actually congratulating him for his bravery.

I’m just waiting for the first one to come out and say that he’s attracted to children and be congratulated by this generation of fucking idiots for being brave and honest.

As long as they say they haven't acted on it, this is already happening.

And lots of people saying so brave and we need to reduce stigma so these people can get help.

Thing is it doesn't really make sense. Attraction is absoutely harmless if it's never acted on. Loads of people are attracted to loads of other people all the time and it's generally accepted (for women and most men) that this won't translate into rape. So why is it assumed that a man who is attracted to children automatically has to prevent himself from raping them? It latches onto ideas (which are nonsense) about men being uncontrollable beasts who only manage to not go around raping due to a massive amount of self control.Yes the more I think about it the more I think this narrative is fucked.

Oh yes just remembered the name "virtuous paedophile". What is vituous about not raping a child?

Oh look, another man who has no floor m in the game showing how woke he is by standing up for student prostitution.

‘Stand up for student sex workers’, what blithering bullshit.

Next up: stand up for child sweatshop workers by buying more of the products they make and shutting down the labour laws that stop factories employing them!

why is swinging upside down from a pole super empoweting for women but not men?

In fairness, poledancing is a fun way to build strength and men take part. But there's a huge contextual difference between doing it for a club full of skeevy men and doing it in a studio class or a competition.

There is a contextual difference metrorider, but I would argue that studio classes and competitions are just sanitising and normalising stripping. Calling it ‘art’ or ‘strengthening’ or fucking ‘empowering’ doesn’t change the fact it is designed to titilate men.

How is pole designed to titillate men any more than aerial hoop, aerial silks, or trapeze is? They've all been sexualised at some point: trapeze stripping from 1901 (sfw, full Edwardian petticoats), aerial silk striptease (nsfw, knickers and pasties, also how does she not get epic silk burn from that windmill drop?), aerial hoop (nsfw, bra and knickers) Pole has its roots in male-dominated 12 century indian mallakhamb, male-dominated chinese circus pole, and circus sideshow dancing, it's only been fenale-dominated and associated with stripping in the last fifty years. Yes, I wear a crop top and shorts for pole, but that's because clothes slide on metal, I need bare skin and a lot of rosin to stick to the pole. Other than the clothing, the core skills of strength, flexibility, coordination, and control are the same.

I could argue that javelin competitions sanitise throwing spears at your enemies, that fencing is a sanitised form of lethal sword fighting, that archery is a sanitised fighting skill, and that we therefore shouldn't do those things. I don't, because I recognise the difference in context and intent between a weapon skills contest and a battle.

@haxxor, try Itac2. It's not gritty like rosin is.

Yeah, but itac2 gets into the silks and won't wash out as easily as rosin.

Returning to thread topic, the Queen should not be honouring anyone who protects pimps or punters. Nordic Model now, please.

"The NZ sex industry is one of the safest in the world for sex workers, male or female."

Which isn't true and you know that. They sold us that line despite many trying for the Nordic model, but when they had the court case for Mallory Manning (RIP) after she was murdered they said it was the fourth such murder in Christchurch alone in recent years. It is pretty disgusting to claim that it could ever be safe, and that's before we start looking at the exploitation by pimps and madams and the massive amount of young girls and boys being used and abused in that which the police ignore. Funny how the media can find many just by going out at night, but they can't.

If they were a dairy owner (that's a corner shop for those in the UK) who was murdered while they were at work there would be outrage but the best the prostitution supporters could manage was that the 'girls' were worried and to try and work in groups for more safety. This is a flagrant breach of any requirements for safety of workers in any industry apart from prostitution and basically no one cares because it's supposedly legal which allows the punters carte blanche to abuse women, men and children however they like.

to just derail slightly further haXXor and metrorider, I have 0 issue with women doing pole dancing classes for fitness - that would be crazy. I just don't get women who describe it as empowering (which neither of you have done I know).

Claiming to empowered by a fitness class is bonkers - unless you're also empowered by your aqua aerobics class?

Personally I enjoy being beasted around my living room by Jillian Michaels (well, I enjoy the results anyway, not necessarily the actual exercise), but I don't believe it empowers me.

Read Andrea Dworkin - the only women who should be listened to are those brave ones that exited the system and survived - lived experience trumps any academic and or business treatise.

How any woman can support trafficking and enslavement of other women is beyond me - shows a lack of critical thinking imo

Nordic Model Now.

I don't like prostitution. I think it would be great if it ends. If the pimps could all be convicted and serve time that would be great. But it won't happen.

My reading of this is that the two women accepted this and instead tried to make it safer and better for prostitutes. They knew prostitution would always be around so tried to improve things a little. And that's a good thing, the rewards for that (and let's be honest there will be few rewards in the job itself) are well deserved.

A few years ago the WI tried to legalise brothels. It wasn't that they thought prostitution was good, it was that they thought it would be safer that way. It, like any system, is very open to abuse but it can work. Thats laudable too.