Fiona Broadfoot - The Queen’s endorsement of the exploitation of women is devastating

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www.feministcurrent.com/2018/06/20/queens-endorsement-exploitation-women-devastating/

I think you give yourself away with the
"- not prostitution [I hasten to add]"

You enjoyed it yeah? Would you enjoy what one poster fittingly described as being paid thirty quid for some bloke to wanking into one or more of your orifices? Sounds thrilling! I'm sure they all really look forward to their day.

And OP, seriously, do give us a screen grab of the Abstract of your thesis I can't wait to read it. Was it published in the Journal of Criminal Exploitation or maybe the Annals of Misogyny?

OP (the thread starter) isn't the one with the thesis, though.

God those punters words are outrageous. Signed.

And yes to it not even being a feminist position but a no brainer to the basic entry level of being a decent human being. Can't remember the stats but I thought most men were anti-prostitution too?

Just signed the petition what a godawful website thanks for inspiration Cats

Apologies OP, I meant Cats and kids very sorry for getting mixed up

I knew one of the other women who worked with Healey, Anna Reed. Reed worked as a sex worker herself for many years. I've got nothing but admiration for Reed and Healey with the work they do to make the sex industry a place where women can have choice. They are not endorsing misogyny, they are not endorsing the exploitation of women or the pimps.

The sex industry exists and they are hardcore practical about the women who work in it. The NZ sex industry is one of the safest in the world for sex workers, male or female.

"Sex worker" is a very clever term. You won't know if someone is talking about a prostitute, a stripper, a dominatrix or a pimp

Their efforts would be better directed into ending the sex trade rather than sanitising it.

Slavery did not end in America through liberals thinking up cosy new terms for slaves such as ‘domestic field workers’ and trying to improve their conditions. We should be abolishing the sex trade and if more effort went into that from men and the women who have been brainwashed into thinking it’s some kind of career choice, perhaps we’d be there.

And NZ really isn’t something we should be aspiring to -

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/30/new-zealand-sex-work-prostitution-migrants-julie-bindel

Slavery did not end in America through liberals thinking up cosy new terms for slaves such as ‘domestic field workers’ and trying to improve their conditions.

This is a very good point.

Just want to make clear that I wasn't saying some women are happy being prostitutes but that it is used as an excuse to justify the sex trade.

I agree even if they're are a few happy ones ( most prob the more high class very well paid ones) it doesn't make it ok.

It creates a society where men think it's acceptable to buy women's bodies for their own pleasure.

Signed. Hate these men.

Their efforts would be better directed into ending the sex trade rather than sanitising it.

YY. They may not be endorsing the exploitation of women but they are enabling it. And they are supporting a culture which accepts they buying of women’s bodies as legitimate. There’s nothing to admire about that.

Society outlaws all kinds of things that are freely chosen. Not because the outcome of every single incident of that choice being taken leads to a harmful outcome, but because the potential for harm is unreasonably high.

Drugs
Leaving education before 16
Riding motorbikes without a helmet
Leaving your young kids alone

I would love to add 'sex work' to that list (by criminalising punters)

To the PP who was unharmed, that's great. Can you see how other women might not escape unscathed?

"Sex worker" is a very clever term. You won't know if someone is talking about a prostitute, a stripper, a dominatrix or a pimp

Agree.

'If women have to sell sex to feed themselves and their children then women are dependent on men. If women are dependent on men then women are at the mercy of men.'
Can't remember who said this but it's spot on.

To add to my previous comment, look how broadly Wikipedia defines the term sex worker:

Types of sex work include, but are not limited to, street prostitution, indoor prostitution (escort services, brothel work, massage parlor-related prostitution, bar or casino prostitution), phone sex operation, exotic dancing, lap dancing, webcam nude modeling, pornographic film performing, and nude peepshow performing. The list is sometimes expanded to include jobs in the sex industry that less directly involve the sexuality of the worker in the exchange of sexual performances, services, and products, such as the producers and directors of adult films, manufacturers and sellers of sex toys, managers in exotic dance clubs, escort agents, bouncers, etc.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_work

Obviously some of these people like producers, agents, "managers", will feel very safe and empowered by making punting completely legal. But it's never going to be completely safe for prostitutes, since prostitution involves male strangers with entitlement complexes getting access to women's bodies.

There are people who are perfectly happy to be homeless. Weird though, when you say “homelessness is a scourge on our society and it is fucking appalling that so many people are sleeping rough or crammed in grotty B&Bs”, nobody comes along to slap your wrists for homeless-shaming and tell you off for not respecting the free agency of the 0.15% of homeless people who like it.

Ds1 friend did a thesis on pornography and prostitution

Its led to some interesting 'debates'

At one point ds1 tried to warn him off saying that he wouldnt win in a debate with me

And i agreed...on the basis that neither of the young men thought that it was a good career choice for either them or their sisters

Im fed up with it being females who are apparently empowered by sex work...whereas men seem to be empowered by being CEO of multi billion businesses or world leaders

Oh yes Rufus

why is swinging upside down from a pole super empoweting for women but not men?

why not pick other ways of feeling empowered, ones that actually give you some power?

Yeah the word ‘empowering’ is pretty tainted now since it mainly seems to apply to things which give women power through being desirable to men, like fucking burlesque.

The ones being empowered are men. I know that if I was more of a sociopath (had no empathy) and had the opportunity to buy and use other's bodies despite them not wanting me, or earn lots of money by selling them to others, then I would probably feel very empowered by that.

What a satisfying thread.

The concept that prostitution is just like any other job and can be empowering?

Swiftly dispatched.

Next!

I think that if you argue that prositution is just another job choice, then you are left with no outrage for the times when men coerce women into sex. Like the women in Haiti who had sex with the charity workers for food and medicine. Because if it’s just work, then that’s just like having to put up shelves for someone if you didn’t really want to. Sure it wasn’t much fun while you were putting them up, but at the end of the day it’s only shelves, and you’ve been paid so now you won’t starve and neither will your children, at least tonight. Wasn’t it nice of that man to give you this shelf-putting-up opportunity.

The rest of us see men raping desparate women and calling it benevolence.