Would you back self ID if...

[daimbars]

Once a trans women got their GRC they had to wait a period of time (say 5 years) before they were able to have the same rights as all women? For example they would only be able to apply for a job as a women’s officer, appear on a female only panel or to compete in women’s sport after five years of lived experience as a woman?

Someone I know is meeting with her MP to discuss how to propose this legislation. She thinks it will address possible repercussions from self ID and stop it being abused. I thought it was an interesting idea I could get behind.

@daimbars yep I could be playing Devil's advocate, surely a debate is only interesting if your opinions are challenged?

If you are trying to challenge the opinions on this board then you are failing miserably because every single goady post trying to centre trans rights on a feminism board you keep regurgitating things you think are the opinions of people on this board but are simply what you have been told we think.

It is abundantly clear that you have not bothered to find out what GC people think, you don’t actually listen to any of the explanations either, you just keep on goadily posting what you have been told the GC argument is.

You get so much engagement because people on here are triggered by your constant smears and drawn in by your doe eyed faux innocence.

We all know you aren’t in the least interested in debate or in understanding. You are quite simply here to try and force posters here into centring trans rights.

I don't negotiate women's rights when it comes to self ID. If we are talking about reforming the current GRA I'm up for a discussion... as long as people debate in good faith and not with the mindset of nothing short of self ID is acceptable and anyone opposed is a bigot.

Not with a stoat.

No worries @thebewilderness - I've found the discussion really interesting but I don't want to piss anyone off. As you were.

Not under a goat

So do you agree with any of the issues raised by posters here daim? Or do you remain unconvinced?

Not even if they're wearing a really nice coat!

@massivelyouting disabled access toilets are used by both males and females and I would assume are very welcome. They contain features not needed by everyone, more space to manover a wheel chair and also bars to hold on to and some may even have brail on the soap dispenser.

I am not advocating they be thrown open to anyone. And regular gender neutral toilets would not need to be as large and with extra facilities' like bars or whatever. But the existing disabled toilets are not segregated by sex.

I am not advocating we do away with female and male spaces.

I am advocating that we build additional gender neutral toilets for any person who wishes to use them. Including non-binary people.

These would enable anyone to be safe and self contained, opening onto a central area as has been discussed.

I do not want to take anything away from disabled people but their toilets are not segregated by sex -so we know how this works already!

Not even afloat?
Not even or ever with a manky old scrote?

lol aak

Oh man!!

I was gonna say float

I read your encyclopaedic mind

Not even or ever with a manky old scrote?

Just skipping along, swinging their tote.

I agree Italian. More single private unisex facilities are the way forward. Ideally accessible ones as they are better for a parent and child as well as for disabled people, but one to everyone. I still wouldn't be open to self id though for all the other reasons.

"As you were". lol. Now I definitely see you daimbars. In any case, at least you started a discussion. When I get time, I'm going to read all of the valuable contributions many people have made to this thread.

*open to everyone

I have reported your trollish @ing people who have asked you not to do so, daimbars.

I do not want to take anything away from disabled people but their toilets are not segregated by sex -so we know how this works already!

There are a lot of places with high volume usage that put the disabled facilities inside the sex segregated spaces.
Those are the businesses that are throwing up their hands and making all women's spaces unisex.

encyclopaedic mind

Well thats very kind of you

But i pretty much only had float

They aren't unisex either, oddly. They are mixed sex.

Good point, well made, Spartacus.

We must fight the drip-drip of ‘gender’ replacing ‘sex’.

We can not articulate our position without separating the two and the TRA know it.