3 strikes and you're out

[spontaneousgiventime]

Sorry to start this thread but I'm livid. I'm beyond livid to be fair.

I'm now on strike two and have been warned my posting privilege is at risk.

The reason for this thread is; please don't take the new guidelines at face value. I got a strike today for calling a man who presents as a woman a name NOT on the banned list. Obviously now I can't say what it was, I am effectively gagged.

I now have six weeks of no free speech until the strikes I have are wiped - again effectively gagged.

So, you won't see me much as I will NOT refer to men who present as women as the names we are allowed to call them, so will end up banned. I will post bland banal comments that can't offend any sensibilities here and let rip elsewhere where free speech is encouraged.

PLEASE, please, watch your words or MN will use this as a reason the close the FWR board.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3283714-New-guidelines-in-plain-straightforward-English

My deletion wasn't for wrong terminology or personal attack. It was on a thread about self-ID inviting opinions from other posters. I was deleted for a section of a sentence that was felt was 'potentially going to offend'.

None of the actual words I used referenced any individual or men/women/trans/male/female/gender/sex/acronyms

The sentence I used was to do with struggle, and acceptance.

The mods considered that I hadn't been intending offence though, which was correct, I hadn't.

And so it didn't count for a strike, or an email.

Yes that's my question. Suppose I get deleted for saying that a specific individual or group thereof have cocks and bollocks and are therefore men. And then I get deleted for using a word which refers to a psychological condition which we know exists but which is not helpful to trans ideology.

And then I get deleted for telling someone to do one on AIBU on a thread about whether house parties should be allowed to continue after 11pm.

What then? Is that two trans strikes plus one non-trans and therefore not three total?

I would like to know so that when I get cross I can pop over to S and B and call someone out for shopping at M and S.

I have only ever had two posts deleted that I know about and they reinstated one of those so I am mostly quite

That house party thread was

relevant thread:
OP comment:
"Trans Media Watch appears to want the term 'trans identified male', or indeed referring to them as 'men' to be understood as hate speech and deems Mumsnet 'of particular concern'. This really has to be read to be believed; here is their written submission to the Home Affairs Committee: data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/home-affairs-committee/hate-crime-and-its-violent-consequences/written/82105.pdf. It is quite the collection of lies and misrepresentations designed to completely malign women, the only good thing about it is that it is so obviously one-sided that most rational people would see that.

Worth sharing this article on how the committee has been approaching the matter, and how at least some MP's want women silenced: blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/ "

thread & discussion:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3238618-Trans-Media-Watch-has-written-to-parliament-saying-trans-identified-male-can-be-considered-as-hate-speech-and-that-Mumsnet-users-referring-to-penises-are-being-transphobic

I want to know if I talk about my pregnancy and VBAC if I’ll be delete for referencing my genitalia which is pertinent to the discussion in the same way a person with a penis entering the female prison estate is essential information in a discussion.

relevant thread:
OP comment:
"Trans Media Watch appears to want the term 'trans identified male', or indeed referring to them as 'men' to be understood as hate speech and deems Mumsnet 'of particular concern'. This really has to be read to be believed; here is their written submission to the Home Affairs Committee: data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/home-affairs-committee/hate-crime-and-its-violent-consequences/written/82105.pdf. It is quite the collection of lies and misrepresentations designed to completely malign women, the only good thing about it is that it is so obviously one-sided that most rational people would see that.

^^
Do we think this is the reason for MN being so spooked recently?

There are numerous other examples of recent posters who are trans women aligning their experience with that of infertile women.

Just posting in support to say this happened to me a while back. It was pretty distressing. I don't remember the name of the poster who made the comment.

I'm not infertile but my disability means I'm not well enough to be a parent.

I had forgotten about this thread & only noticed it when looking for something else.

It seems as if it may be relevant.

I don't think the power of the lobby groups can be underestimated.

There are significant legal issues which will, of course, be used.

It isn't going to be for Mumsnet to challenge all of these but they are obviously attempting to continue to host the discussion (albeit with some consessions)

This is an interesting article linked on the original thread mentioned by Clare below

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Whoops apologies I've just seen ROwanteees has got the first - of course! 😃

Yes, its an important article and worth following the embedded links within it.

The background is to the Home Affairs committee when newspaper editors were interviewed.

I'll see if I can find the threads.

thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233421-Home-Affairs-Committee-Hate-crime-enquiry-Newspaper-editors-interviewed

Resurrecting this because I don't want to start another ranty thread.

I've asked MN to look again at my second strike and they have done, my appeal has been denied. The second strike still stands. It was given for me posting a term for [acronym] which is NOT a word we've been told not to use but for a word that appears 'goady'. Perhaps more to the point is a word with a partial strike through that made is appear goady.

Some snivelling little snot on here reported my post hence the deletion and strike. E-mails sent by me to and to me from MN are all available to read on the other place in full. I won't hide the truth about this, nor will I lie.

The strike was unfair as we have no idea what is and what isn't going to get us a strike, the email received all but confirms this. It is down to a post being reported. MN have confirmed they are not trawling threads looking for posts but looking at reported ones.

So to the fucking miserable little shit who reported me - well fucking done! I am not letting this lie and have appealed again. This strike confirms we will not only receive a strike for things we are not allowed to say per the guidelines but for things we say that make fucking little shit snowflakes melt all over their keyboards.

Are they still taking deletion requests from non mumsnet members?

The more i type that the weirder the whole thing is

I don't know Rufus. All I do know is, if someone reports a post with a word or phrase they deem to be goady it could very ell get you a strike.

I had no idea, not a clue what I posted would get me a strike, there is no indication anywhere it might.

This is part of the email that made me chuckle.

"If you'd have just put 'XY woman' it may not have been reported and we'd have been none the wiser. And if you'd have put TRAs, we'd have had no problem with it at all."

So we can use XY woman but we take our posting privilege in our hands if we do as it might get reported and get you a strike - WTF!

Oh good lord

So XY women MIGHT not be a problem as long as some fuckwit nohoper twunt doesnt report it

Oh that makes me feel so much better...glad to see that the policy is so clear, not arbitrary at all

This lack of consistency is very scary and confusing -- good luck with your second attempt at being un-struck spontaneous.

The lack of consistency is probably deliberate. If we don't know the rules the only way to be sure that we aren't breaking them is to remain silent on these issues.

So basically HQs advice is "Try not to get reported by this group of people who report everything that annoys them, and let's face it, almost everything seems to - best of luck!"

I dont half feel sorry for MNHQ

So basically HQs advice is "Try not to get reported by this group of people who report everything that annoys them, and let's face it, almost everything seems to - best of luck!"

That's how I read it and this comes direct from an email from HQ.

Good luck keeping all your lives folks. With rules like this it's going to be impossible.

Oh also bare in mind, fuck the guidelines, you can get a strike for being goady.

Rufus Are you serious? You feel sorry for HQ who have to moderate rules they made that not one single person knows what they are?

Oh its definitely a problem of their own making...

but yeah youre right

Im taking back my flowers!!