Spreading the idea that everyone has a gender identity

[Macareaux]

Mermaids has quite a reach. Influencing consumer groups.

The ease with which schools, workplaces and other organisations are being brainwashed is quite astounding

Jamie I don't deny that but there is a proportionality to it isn't there.

In most cases therapy is considerably more expensive than drugs of course

Yes, it is called femininity because it is primarily associated with females (and the teapot is absolutely nail on the head).

Just wondering what is going on to go from man who likes femininity to trans and body dysphoria. It seems as if there is a leap there which is outside of most people’s frame of reference, while feminine gay man is understood and expected.

Just because women havent attempted to change sex, does not mean we are by any means happy woth our bodies or with the gender roles society enforces on us.

I understand that Hyppolyta but that also doesn't mean you would be happier with a deeper voice broken by testosterone and a beard. And being recognised every day as a man. That is how trans men report feeling - the need to be seen and recognised as a man, in order to be seen as themselves. That's very different to what you're describing.

Sorry to hear you feel the need for a breast reduction. Two of my friends have had that on the nhs, fortunately for them they met the criteria (2 different boroughs but within same county). If it's causing you disability or affecting your health, then don't know if you can make use of Personal Health Budgets, or IFR/ approach your CCG and look at their 'Procedures of Limited Clinical Value' (horrible term for something so important), or try different GP, appeal decision. I'm sure you've thought of all that though.

In some cases it is autism Jamie. But not all obviously.

I also don't know exactly what causes anorexia but I'm confident there would be fewer cases if women were not objectified.

Yes, that makes a great deal of sense.

I don’t like my adult female body, actually.
and i can’t get rid of the hormones. I could probably have a mastectomy, hysterectomy and laser hair removal, but i still wouldn’t be a prepubescent child, or even look much like one.

Well no, you wouldn't. With respect it sounds like there could be a few issues that might be worth exploring? I mean as in therapy - I hope it's not rude to suggest that and I'm sure you've thought of it already. Or tried it already - sometimes it takes a few goes to find the right therapist/ counsellor. Not liking your body that much enough to want to change it is not a great place to be is it. So hope you can find a resolution. Or in the short term here's some anyway

SupermatchGame i am asking you to open your eyes up to the bigger picture. Transgender is part of gender. Transgender is gender. Gender develops through social interaction and is affected by sexuality. You always revert to a narrow focus on trans identities as if they can be treated as wholly separate from the whole picture. Do you understand that gender is the tool that oppresses women all around the world? Do you understand that gender is the source of toxic masculinity? Male suicide rates? Trans is not an isolated phenomenon. And there is a social solution.

This is the sort of thing that chaps my hide. You probably do not even know how insulting you are.

No I don't. Good job we've got you around to keep me informed though eh.

Millions of women all over the world feel like people. They are pissed because they are not treated like people.

That's an equally important issue and one feminism is addressing. It's not the same as gender dysphoria.

I think you don't know, because you don't listen. If you listened, you'd know.

i am asking you to open your eyes up to the bigger picture. Transgender is part of gender. Transgender is gender. Gender develops through social interaction and is affected by sexuality. You always revert to a narrow focus on trans identities as if they can be treated as wholly separate from the whole picture. Do you understand that gender is the tool that oppresses women all around the world? Do you understand that gender is the source of toxic masculinity? Male suicide rates? Trans is not an isolated phenomenon. And there is a social solution

So. Gender is a social construct. Agreed. You can change gender at any time you want to. Just adopt the social expectation of your preferred gender.

To me, that’s logical, fine, and i have no issue with.

I just don’t get why the insistance that adopting the societal indications turns you into that gender. Because it doesn’t. Much the same as me behaving like an 11 year old prepubescent doesn’t make me one.

Yes i have issues with my body. But i accept no amount of counselling or surgery will change the physicality i was born with.

Gender - sex in that second para

Why is there such a phobia around feminine men in our society? Why is it so deeply entrenched? Why do men display this so much more than women?

@reallyanitherone It isn't that easy though because society applies gendered expectations based on sex and identity develops socially. So to adopt the gender you identify with you would need to change sex and insist that others truly believe you have done so....

Or at least superficially change sex. E.g.. alter breasts/facial hair

And here we are.

I also don't know exactly what causes anorexia but I'm confident there would be fewer cases if women were not objectified.

From my understanding it is the sub conscious way of trying to stop growing up...

SMG, you quoted someone’s post and then immediately addressed them in the second person. I call bullshit that you were speaking generally.

Anyway, this isn’t a general, or hypothetical debate. You’re not listening. We are real people. We do not have gender identities. We are not flipping onions.

Perhaps we should take out bus adverts saying “some people are agenderist*, get over it”.

*sub gender atheist, gender critical or other commonly agreed term

SupermatchGame.

Feminism is the struggle for girls and women to be liberated from a worldwide, unfair, harmful and totally unjustified subjugation.

The mechanism via which we are subjugated is gender.

Genuine sex dysphoria is undoubtedly a distressing thing to those who experience it. But I absolutely do not believe for a second that transgenderism is a humane answer to that distress. Because transgender ideology is counter to material reality and it throws children, women, homosexuals, lesbians and the non compliant with the regressive rules of sexual politics under the bus in order to bolster a profound untruth.

Humans cannot change their reproductive sex. They should IMO be allowed to express themselves as they see fit and be accepted for doing so. We shouldn't have to lie about who we are in order to relieve the distress that the strict institutionalized social order of male supremacism (AKA gender) generates in so many of us.

We are not wrong, our bodies are not wrong. The social order is wrong.

And transgenderism does nothing to challenge or change that social order. Quite the opposite.

Late to the party to say that I don't have a gender identity either.

You’re not listening. We are real people. We do not have gender identities. We are not flipping onions.

I am listening. You don't have a gender identity. The book I was quoting from says everyone does. It's what I was taught. You're telling me different. I get it.

There are a number of people who say they don't have a gender identity. I don't think that invalidates the concept of gender dysphoria in general or that which is clinically observed and treated by others in practice.

People who refuse to take no for an answer

I laugh. I find you funny now.

(Used to be mildly insulting, but now just funny).