Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

[hungryhippie]

twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

Yes I know they are most;y APGs. But I thought that blog post would be good to post here. No one can be banned for posting a blog post from someone who identifies as trans.

The only appropriate response by transactivists on this thread would be to make a clear, unequivocal, unambiguous statement condemning VAWG, threats of VAWG, and terrorism in their name. Then to stop intruding, fuck the fuck off and leave the women to process their anger, distress and fear among themselves.

I've tried to point this out and still they continue.

I thought at first they just must be stupid because they kept missing what I thought I was really clearly stating. Then I thought, no you know what it's because I'm a woman and sexist people of the sex that must not be named have a habit of ignoring women when we speak

Then they kept going despite more and more women getting pissed off about it and I realised - they have heard us and they understand what we are telling them, that they are violating our space - so continuing to do that is a deliberate choice they are making.

So what is happening is that they know they are violating our boundaries, they know that we know that, and they know there is absolutely fuck all we can do about it because MN has decided to let them do it and made it as difficult as possible for us to call it out.

Well I assume Clare means that an assumption that all transgender activity is motivated by gender dysphoria requires fewer assumptions. But I can't see how?

Yes that was my interpretation too and I'm not sure how either...?

I know JoanSummers, utterly astounding isn't it.

Or perhaps not, sadly.

So what is happening is that they know they are violating our boundaries, they know that we know that, and they know there is absolutely fuck all we can do about it because MN has decided to let them do it and made it as difficult as possible for us to call it out.

^ This

Yes that

Then they kept going despite more and more women getting pissed off about it and I realised - they have heard us and they understand what we are telling them, that they are violating our space - so continuing to do that is a deliberate choice they are making.

Well, look at it this way: it's a demonstration that clearly people are unaware that they are giving not only to us but to all the lurkers too.

A credible terrorist threat against non-compliant women and the only response you can muster is what's gone on here on this thread? If this is your reaction, just be aware that you are telling everyone exactly who you are.

I frame it as nasty man is seeking to cause trouble for trans people.

What the actual fuckety fuck? This written by a man presenting as a woman, about a device threat at a women's event!

If this doesn't show you something, Specsavers is ----> that way.

Claire, you are an Angels poster, I would recognise your style anywhere. On that forum you try to dominate and cow other posters, it won't fucking work here. We are not frightened of you, you mean nothing to us.

Given any pre-existing knowledge about the male of the species I'd say it meets it head on.

Exactly.

Clare, I thought you might be interested in that Grayson Perry quote in full.

Perry considers his penchant a fetish – “my greatest sort of potent sex dream was to be a housewife walking down the road” - and nothing to do with gender identity. “I have no special insight into being a woman. I am just a bloke in a dress.”

Very clearly there is a sexual AGP element that he acknowledges.

Clare I asked yesterday, but maybe you missed it.

You wrote about a young lesbian who got beaten for refusing to accept "transwomen" as sexual partners.

You repeatedly called her a TERF.

Do you believe all lesbians are TERFs, or just this one?

Clare I asked yesterday, but maybe you missed it.

You wrote about a young lesbian who got beaten for refusing to accept "transwomen" as sexual partners.

You repeatedly called her a TERF.

Do you believe all lesbians are TERFs, or just this one?

You wrote about a young lesbian who got beaten for refusing to accept "transwomen" as sexual partners

Some background to this situation Clare was writing about:

Arielle Scarcella: "TERF" beaten up outside a gay bar by "non binary" women.
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3264603-arielle-scarcella-terf-beaten-up-outside-a-gay-bar-by-non-binary-women

I agree with Joan. They really are intruding on and violating our space, forcing themselves on us, refusing us any privacy or place of our own, interfering with what we say to one another (we aren't saying it to THEM, after all!) and keeping us all under surveillance.

It's typical behaviour of the toxic male, and should not be pandered to.

@JuzzaL
Whoops, upthread it looked like I ignored you (just silly me, forgetting to refresh, so missed your question). Prawn answered most of it anyway, no point in further derail.

I wanted you to clarify what you meant by a statement you meant earlier, which was:
At worst, those of us trying to protect women's rights have people that are actually transphobic jumping on the bandwagon.

Who were you referring to?
Because it sounded like you are saying there is 'some kind of infiltration into feminism by the transphobic'.
I was genuinely confused as to what you meant by it.

To clarify for any lurkers or those about to start screeching about transphobia, note that when people say that there is an unwelcome, boundary violating intrusion happening, they don't mean all transsexuals, they mean specifically trans activists who are demonstrating a lack of empathy for women. Note that Miranda is transsexual and is being engaged with the same way any other commenter would be. If say Truscum or Curry showed up the same thing would happen.

It's not the being transsexual that's the issue, it's the inability or refusal to engage with women as people with boundaries, needs, and rights of our own that's the issue.

(And also the self-promotion of a blog, which I'm pretty sure is against talk guidelines.)

It's not the being transsexual that's the issue, it's the inability or refusal to engage with women as people with boundaries, needs, and rights of our own that's the issue.
Yep.

It's not the being transsexual that's the issue, it's the inability or refusal to engage with women as people with boundaries, needs, and rights of our own that's the issue.

Yes, exactly. Note, for example, I said transactivist (a person who may or may not be trans) and not trans person. Nothing to do with identification. Everything to do with behaviour.

Hyppolyta: "I asked yesterday, but maybe you missed it". Hyppolyta, I have noticed your repeated questioning, but given that you accused me of "spewing vile lies" I feel no obligation to answer you.

I said I would come back and report anything further I found out about the threat. The twitterer, perhaps belatedly realising he might get into trouble for making a bomb threat, has now tweeted:

"No Threat Was Made - Waz Made Aware OF A Threat & Want No One To Get Hurt - I Merely Nom On KFC."

"Dis Iz Not A Threat Am Aware Of A Threat A Tranny Made."

Make of that what you will. He calls himself a "Wigger", so the word "dis" may be derogatory.

Not sure what his preferences in crap fast food are meant to have to do with anything. He doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.

"Wigger" is nothing to do with fast food. Google it if you must. I don't want to know enough to form a definite opinion on it, but it could be seen as racist, as something like blackface.

Type that Ali G took the piss out of "is it because I is black?"

The "blackface" comment adds an interesting dimension to this. Racist.

Other times it's OK for a member of an oppressor class to adopt the (often enforced) look / mannerisms etc of the oppressed class and even more OK if they then tell the oppressed class that they are doing it wrong and in fact should shut the fuck up.

It's not the being transsexual that's the issue, it's the inability or refusal to engage with women as people with boundaries, needs, and rights of our own that's the issue.

It's not the being transsexual that's the issue, it's the inability or refusal to engage with women as people with boundaries, needs, and rights of our own that's the issue.

It's not the being transsexual that's the issue, it's the inability or refusal to engage with women as people with boundaries, needs, and rights of our own that's the issue.
This this this.

How many times do I need to post this before it actually gets processed?

Um...

I Merely Nom On KFC

Unless you think KFC is fine dining.

He doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.
Most of them don't seem to be. Lowest common denominator?