Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

[hungryhippie]

twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

SHUT it down

AGP is not a useful concept.

Except for those that have AGP and have said it is a useful concept?

Should I expand on that? AGP fails Occam's razor for one thing. Blanchard's theory says there is a causal link, but the causal link goes the other way. Gender dysphoria comes first.

In women's loos, I am trying to be invisible, trying not to attract any attention. I can see why someone might be revolted by me, certainly in theory:

and I don't want to engage further with that. Anything I say can be claimed to be narcissistic, condoning violence, whatever. "Spewing vile lies" when I thought I was providing a close argument based on evidence. I exist. I have the diagnoses from specialist psychiatrists.

There are those who say they have AGP and that it should be acknowledged under the transgender umbrella. Go on any trans forum and you will see people talking who say they have AGP or clearly meet the definition. Pretending this is not a factor for some helps no one.

lends credence to the idea that at least one form of cross-gender identification is paraphilia

No it doesn't. What's that got to do with Grayson Perry? He doesn't have a cross-gender identification. He is in his own words:

just a bloke in a dress

For me, this is fairly simple. A credible terrorist threat - taken seriously by the police - was made against a women's meeting on behalf of transactivism. Women on FWR want to talk about it.

The only appropriate response by transactivists on this thread would be to make a clear, unequivocal, unambiguous statement condemning VAWG, threats of VAWG, and terrorism in their name. Then to stop intruding, fuck the fuck off and leave the women to process their anger, distress and fear among themselves.

That there is such a clear inability to have even the modicum of self awareness to do this evidence on this thread speaks volumes. Absolute volumes.

NATALT my arse.

Should I expand on that? AGP fails Occam's razor for one thing. Blanchard's theory says there is a causal link, but the causal link goes the other way.

Why do I get the distinct impression you are trying to say you didn't want to go there because of your superior intellectual knowledge that you think simply won't be understood?

To be clear any threat of violence against women and girls is disgusting. And I'm not a transactivist.

Still no signed public statements or pieces from

MNHQ
Press
Politicians
Unions
LGBT

That tells us where we stand.

*For me, this is fairly simple. A credible terrorist threat - taken seriously by the police - was made against a women's meeting on behalf of transactivism. Women on FWR want to talk about it.

The only appropriate response by transactivists on this thread would be to make a clear, unequivocal, unambiguous statement condemning VAWG, threats of VAWG, and terrorism in their name. Then to stop intruding, fuck the fuck off and leave the women to process their anger, distress and fear among themselves.

That there is such a clear inability to have even the modicum of self awareness to do this evidence on this thread speaks volumes. Absolute volumes.

NATALT my arse*

This.

To be clear any threat of violence against women and girls is disgusting. And I'm not a transactivist.

FWIW, I wasn't talking to you or about you this time!

That said, anyone participating and assisting in thread derails when the topic at hand is credible terrorist threats against non-compliant women should probably stop typing and do a bit of reflecting. Because you (generic you) should know you're being disgusting and that you don't know that immediately is what we know in the trade as a ruddy great red flag.

So you are not going to engage because anything you say can be twisted, Clare?

Yet you are ok to see us all as transphobes before we have even started, and somehow minimise the actions of a person threatening to kill women at a peaceful meeting.

Or are you only interested when you get to shape the narrative? On a blog, rather than discussion forum where you can't be questioned?

I read this thread and it reminds me of a Chainsmokers song, especially the words "welcome to the narcissism".

Comment with screenshots by way of examples how attempts may have been made to shut down women's meetings:

twitter.com/JammersMinde/status/1008335415743602688

Helen Lewis in NewStatesman:

(extract)
"The Wolf affair also demonstrates another alarming phenomenon: the left getting high on its own supply of self-righteousness. “Some feminists have a different conception of gender to me” gets smudged into “some feminists talk about me in ways that I find offensive” and on to “some feminists are basically Hitler, trying to eradicate people like me”.

Once you reach the last statement, then of course you can slap a woman and still think of yourself as a good person. She wants to kill you; a mere punch is self-defence. (I’m not exaggerating about the language. The Edinburgh branch of Action for Trans Health tweeted the day after the attack: “Punching TERFs is the same as punching Nazis. Fascism must be smashed with the greatest violence to ensure our collective liberation from it.”)... continues

"As for the lack of reporting, there’s a simple reason. The LGBT press sees its role as a cheerleader rather than an interrogator, particularly in the age of social media, where feel-good stories travel at the speed of a Facebook share. The liberal media, too, wants every narrative to have clearly defined “sides”, and adjudicating between the right of trans people to protest speech they find offensive and the right of women to live their lives free from the threat of violence is, clearly, deemed to be too difficult."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/04/madness-our-gender-debate-where-feminists-defend-slapping-60-year-old

Older women
With some knowledge
No men living with them
Property owners
Own source of income
Keep to themselves mostly
Don't follow rules of the time

Age old witches that can be mobbed and bullied by any and all.

How does AGP fail Occam's Razor?

Given any pre-existing knowledge about the male of the species I'd say it meets it head on.

Age old witches that can be mobbed and bullied by any and all.

I think not.

AGP is not a useful concept.

Gender Identity is not a useful concept.

AGP fails Occam's razor for one thing. Blanchard's theory says there is a causal link, but the causal link goes the other way.

This statement is in two parts. Apropos Occam’s Razor, this claim is unsubstantiated by the OP as no simpler, more obvious alternative is suggested.

For the second part, ‘gender dysphoria’ is not a single thing, it contains elements of depression, obsessive behaviour, attachment and other disorders.

Blanchard suggested transsexuals generally fall into two types, homosexual transsexuals who are less likely to have an autogynephilic history, and those who are non-homosexual (including bisexual and ‘asexual’ individuals) who have a history of autogynephilia. AGP most commonly arises around puberty and competes with the AGP’s heterosexual orientation through their life. The AGP usually transitions late on in life having married, fathered children etc. It is not uncommon for the AGP to transition following a significant crisis.

I’d ditch AGP in a heartbeat if it were a worthless idea, it does however appear to explain elements of trans behaviours very well and predictions the theory make seem to be bear out in the real world: you only need to take note of the words and interests of trans individuals on social media to see real life examples of this type of behaviour.

I find it terribly sad that transgender activists lie to each other about AGP. If they were honest with each other, they’d attain a level of personal understanding that’s presently denied them.

This statement is in two parts. Apropos Occam’s Razor, this claim is unsubstantiated by the OP as no simpler, more obvious alternative is suggested.

Well I assume Clare means that an assumption that all transgender activity is motivated by gender dysphoria requires fewer assumptions. But I can't see how? Or maybe she just likes a word salad?

Does anyone remember that blog post written by a self proclaimed APG arguing that the Trans movement should be more open and welcoming to APGs?

So you are not going to engage because anything you say can be twisted, Clare?

Then she goes on to twist what I said.

I have other things to do. I will see if I can find anything about this being more than two tweets, for one thing. I will let you know what I find.

Amazing. Are there no homes to go to.

Does anyone remember that blog post written by a self proclaimed APG arguing that the Trans movement should be more open and welcoming to APGs?

The trans movement are mostly AGPs. It’s incredibly sad they’re not honest with themselves about it. They stand to gain far more than they stand to lose.