I am S p a r t a c u s

[PermissionToSpeakSir]

I am a woman.

I was a girl.

I am an adult human female.

Something a man can never be.

I am a woman.

People refer to me has her and she.

Sometimes said with deep contempt and misogyny.

I am a woman.

Something a male will never be.

I have a vagina and uterus.

I menstruate and have given birth.

I am a mother.

Something a male will never be.

I have been insulted, assaulted, belittled, dismissed, held back, intimidated, stereotyped, terrorised, mocked, shamed, humiliated because I am a woman.

Something a male can never be.

I feel insulted, appropriated, offended, anxious, tense, depressed, hurt and under siege, when a male claims to be a woman or anyone says a male can be female.

It is not civil or respectful to treat me this way.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

Still here, still Spartacus.

Spread the word, AngryFather. Explain it to your friends. I started by saying 'Have you ever heard of a female penis' and took it from there.

Talk to other fathers, AngryFatherNow. Get them angry too.

This needs to be discussed out there in the real world, not just on the internet.

AngryFatherNow

Yes, thank you for your words. I’m finding it really hard to explain this to my male friends . Many of whom want to be opened minded. Some use the word cis , arrrgh.

Join us, speak out. Tell your friends!!

Thank you!!

I’m sure when fathers, husbands, sons really realise, they will be outraged too.

I found the idea of a male lesbian makes them stop and think....

Also, sign the petition, share it and ask everyone you know to sign it. All it asks is that women are consulted:

HERE: The government proposes to amend the law to allow people to self-identify as men or women, and to stop allowing organisations in sensitive situations to exclude people of the opposite birth sex. We call for women to be consulted on how to protect women and girls' rights, safety, privacy and dignity.

Anyone who would rather die of cancer than be referred to as the sex they were born needs help of some kind

I m Spartacus.

I am not cis.

I do not have a gender.

I have a biological sex and it is female.

I found the idea of a male lesbian makes them stop and think....

It makes me stop and think! Can't get my head around that one!

I miss the days where when someone male said they were a lesbian everyone knew it was a joke, including the person who said it.

Men need to stand with women and girls on this issue.

miss the days where when someone male said they were a lesbian everyone knew it was a joke, including the person who said it.

I know. I had an argument on the Guardian where a man said that, but clearly in a hur hur self ID way.

They do but I think most men just don't want transgender males anywhere near them, disrupting their fuzzy ideas of what a man should be. They are quite happy to put it in the 'woman problem' box. That's why they go along with it. Also they (virtually) all like sex so on a visceral level, a men's sexual rights movement doesn't evince the same horror.

I am Spartacus. I am an adult human female and a natal woman as evidenced by my xx chromosomes, primary and secondary reproductive characteristics and my status in the patriarchy as gendered as feminine and as second class to men. I also don't suck any cocks, no matter what man they belong to.

WTF has happened? I've been away and the place has erupted.

Thank you, AngryFatherNow I have long felt that it is going to fathers of daughters that stop this. Women don't have the power, that's very clear.

Don't wait for men to take the lead on this. Not enough of us get it. Plus, only you have the credibility to explain this credibly and sincerely and firsthand.

I cannot help but believe that women are underestimating your own power. At the risk of mansplaining - I think you just need to stop being so polite and recognise that in your efforts to be understanding and compassionate, you are being gaslighted.

There are thousandsfold more women affected by this than the small number of people who advocate the unconstrained rights for any male-bodied person to enter female-only spaces. You cannot be shouted down if you refuse to stop speaking. 1000 women calmly but firmly delivering a clear message will not get shouted down by one loudmouth of any persuasion.

Write to the newspapers. Contact other mainstream media. Write / call / visit your MPs and local elected officials. One person, one vote - they know that! Explain your experiences and concerns, in fora where the audience is not mostly composed of other women who already think like you do.

Share your concerns with your husbands / fathers / brothers / sons to get them onside. Hopefully many of them / us will follow. But, you need to lead.

Did you see this thread, AngryFather?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3277316-Mumsnet-moderation-of-trans-rights-and-gender-critical-issues-II?pg=17

It's not that we're polite, it's that we're being censored. We're perfectly aware that we're being gaslighted because they've been doing it for months (years really but it's been amping up lately). We're already leading and will continue to do so, but we need the blokes to step up and provide backup. This shouldn't be our fight alone. If you care about the women in your life you need to fight too.

We're already leading and will continue to do so, but we need the blokes to step up and provide backup. This shouldn't be our fight alone. If you care about the women in your life you need to fight too.

Hear hear.

Men will be persuaded by men like you @AngryFatherNow; women talking about it are being dismissed as bigoted men-hating harpies - you only have to read the comments under the Spectator articles to see that. "Feminists finally getting their comeuppance" seems to be a popular male view

Also, men are parents too and have a responsibility to protect their children. Can't just be mum's job.

Materialist wrote: AngryFatherNow everything you suggest, women have done and are doing. We have met with MPs, we have written letters, etc etc. A woman was beaten, others harassed, masked men blocked entrance to our meeting. Women are being doxxed and their employers contacted. We’rereceiving rape and death threats. Our internet communications on Social media get taken down and some of us get banned. BUT: this doesn’t happen to men who say exactly what we say. It’s still true that men’s words carry more weight, and men won’t threaten, beat, and harass other men the way they will women

Right ... thank you for helping me to understand this ... I still had not quite twigged.

The Mumsnet editorial guidelines did not prevent women from writing, or me from understanding, what looks like the overwhelmingly majority perspective on the topic, although it remains to be seem whether MumsnetHQ will be able to continue to resist pressure to accept certain changes to the meaning of certain words (I sure hope they will!)

As a first step, I will start to look for chances to bring this up in conversations with other men. Then, where I get an interested response, I can followup by sending such men a couple of internet links to read.

This one fairplayforwomen.com/ looks like a good first stop, although I am open to other suggestions.

One thing I would like to also be able to share, in case anyone has an suggestion, would be a blog or article(s) by one or two of the more influential activists who have had most success in arguing for the unabridged right of any male who self-declares as a woman to enter female-only spaces, female-only sporting competitions, etc. This will be even better if said activist has also spoken on YouTube. My perspective is that such individuals are more effective than anyone else at undermining their own case. Some of their goading of other posters on this site helped to push me over the line in wanting to take action.

Another link AngryFatherNow

Factsheet

I sent these links to my local (male) councillor after I brought the subject up in conversation with him and found him receptive. He was the one who looked gobsmacked when I mentioned male lesbians

The two journalists (Turner and Kirkup) are well respected and make the case succinctly and fairly, and that mumsnet thread was a real eyeopener for me.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-sacrificed-to-appease-trans-lobby-bq0m2mm95?shareToken=0088750bacc945254f34f1bb0e5065ef

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3162788-Whats-it-like-being-gender-critical-in-your-workplace

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/can-we-have-an-honest-debate-about-gender/

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/the-violent-misogyny-of-the-gender-debate/