I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

Pratchet that creates an impossible situation for Aydian Dowling

Why can't she go in the gents?

Pratchet hooray thank you! Absolutely no reason why he couldn't go in the gents. Why can't a fully transitioned trans woman use the ladies?

Because he's male. I don't want males in female spaces. If males mind about females in their spaces, they can start a campaign. Not my circus.

Empress it's really simple. Let people use the bathroom they feel is most appropriate to them.

Not sure what your obsession with 'bathrooms' is, daimbars, but what about if that makes other users uncomfortable? The men at the Hampstead pond weren't very happy with the Man Friday chaps using their space, even though it was the one most appropriate for them.

So a man like mark Lazarus- he can just go where he feels most comfortable?

OldCrone Man Friday is a group of women hypothesising about what they fear will happen with a proposed change to the administration process of the GRC. They have try to use their projected fear as 'proof' that bad things will happen which is why they just got a few confused looks, wasted a bit of police time and everyone forgot all about it.

Bowl

As a separate issue, if people behave inappropriately their behaviour will not be tolerated.

Why do we have sex segregated spaces daim?

Sorry folks lunch break is over!

When people behave inappropriately is too late. The goal is prevention, not reaction

Complain to who exactly? If you’re being attacked in a toilet do you honestly think the police will get there in time? How many toilets have an attendant? Vanishingly few.

The idea of just popping a complaint form in is laughable. The goal is prevention and protection. The exclusion of males from female spaces is a layer of protection.

So you’re saying that we let men in, a few women get attacked then we put a complaint in to the authorities?

Would you walk into a lion enclosure safe in the knowledge that if you did get mauled, there’s a park keeper back at the lodge who you can ring?

As a separate issue, if people behave inappropriately their behaviour will not be tolerated.

How does this work out in practice, daimbars? How many incidents like this do you want to facilitate?

www.snopes.com/news/2016/07/13/transgender-woman-arrested-for-taking-pictures-in-target-changing-room/

Man Friday is a group of women hypothesising about what they fear will happen

And what makes you so sure it won't?

You can't use your own fears and prejudices as 'proof' something is likely to happen. The GRA has been in force over 13 years now and there hasn't been a single case in the UK of a trans woman using her trans status to sneak into a bathroom or changing room to assault somebody.

Yes men have done this but not a single trans woman. Not a single one.

daim
How do you tell the difference between a cross-dressing man and a transwoman?

Yes men have done this but not a single trans woman. Not a single one.

But that's the point. As far as Stonewall, Tara Hewitt & all the others are concerned, somebody with a GRC & somebody who thinks heels & lipstick make them feminine are both trans women if they say they are.

As for free access not being a problem because inappropriate behaviour won't be tolerated, that's an equally good argument for everyone using the toilet that matches their sex. Inappropriate behaviour towards transwomen in the men's won't be tolerated & if there's any trouble they can just report it.

daim

What you’re suggesting is removal of sex segregated spaces. Why do we HAVE sex segregated spaces? Its for safety.

How can you think that getting rid of the sex segregated spaces, which are there for safety, will be safe?

The GRA has been in force over 13 years now and there hasn't been a single case in the UK of a trans woman using her trans status to sneak into a bathroom or changing room to assault somebody.

Mark Lazarus.

Oh but he’s a cross dresser!

Do you not see that by letting anyone go where they feel like then predatory men will go in and assault women? Even if every transwoman is law abiding then men, just regular men, get access to these spaces too.

Can I remind you of the fact that every development agency on the planet advocates for single sex toilets. Why do they do that do you think?

Empress's post has reminded me that according to Stonewall, cross-dressing men are transwomen. In which case:
transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/mark-lazarus/

Erm where did I say I disagree with sex segregation?

The Equality Act clearly outlines certain exemptions where it is legal and appropriate to treat trans women differently from women. I attached a screen shot on another thread but I'll attach it again.

Erm where did I say I disagree with sex segregation?

Right here: let people use the bathroom they feel is most appropriate to them

The two concepts are mutually exclusive

I'm an ex science teacher and only came across one student asking questions about transwomen and womb transplants. And tbh it was a student who loved to derail lessons so I invited them back after school to discuss it if they were interested as it wasn't part of the exam content. Needless to say they didn't return.

I'm loving the collapsing waveform quantum sex . Could we have a Schrödinger's transcat?

This talk of womb transplants makes me recall the BBC article: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44360786 about womb transplants. Do you suppose the BBC are using the term woman to describe biological sex?

Is this the sort of thing the TAs are getting excited about thinking men will be able to have wombs stitched into them? Cannot see how that would work out?

Precisely what does using a bathroom have to do with teaching children scientific facts about human sexual dimorphism?

Why do all threads get derailed by TRAs from the actual discussion at hand to one about lavatories? Is it because TRAs like Daim have an unhealthy obsession with lavatories? Or is it simply so they can take screenshots and place them on Twitter to 'prove' that women are bigots?

Screenshot that.

They get derailed because none of the TRAs have a leg to stand on when it comes to serious argument. They just derail and bring it back to whatever their pet subject is.

They won’t answer the core questions because they can’t. They won’t analyse because they can’t.