Baby could become first person born in England or Wales without a legal mother

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5817699/Baby-person-born-England-Wales-without-legal-mother.html

Hi, long time lurker here. Just came across this story online. If this ruling gets through I imagine it will open a whole other can of worms.
How can the law say the child has no Mother?

I really think the state needs someone to represent the child's interests here - any social service experts around?

I still cannot get over how this person has done this amazing, overwhelming (and essentially female) thing of giving birth to a living human and seemingly their only concern is pronouns and titles and how other people see them. This does not bode well for their other parenting decisions. Poor, poor child.

Plus, as a parent of a slightly older child, I know they're not going to be able to lie forever. Children once they're old enough call you out on lies and they're not particularly forgiving. I do wonder why this person wanted a child so much. They don't seem to care much about the child on the basis of their actions.

I really think the state needs someone to represent the child's interests here - any social service experts around?

Yes I was just thinking how unfortunate it is that it’s always the parents campaigning or bringing legal challenges to assert their “rights”.

I can’t see anyone bringing a case on behalf of an individual infant to assert their rights to a full and accurate official record of their parentage, though.

I suspect any overhaul will need to be lobbied for and parliament-led.

Human psychology and society are amazingly complicated. There can surely be no other species on earth where a member could grow up feeling a mismatch between their biology and their role in life. And actually that probably goes for the great majority of the world's human population too. No possibility whatsoever of identifying out of being a female for most women, even though that often means coping with some terrible things.

Gasp0de you're right about the rareness of trans in other parts of the world. It hasn't been a feature of human history either. There's a good article on 4thwavenow.com looking at the absence of transgender as an issue for teenagers in the past.

Homosexuality, of course, has always been around both in human beings and in many other species too. One Christmas I "adopted" a pair of geese for my DF, a keen ornithologist. It was a wild success when it turned out his geese, Laurel and Hardy, were gay. DF was enchanted, and didn't stop chuckling all day. He is 80+ and has always supported gay rights.

I googled and found a case where a male-born person without a GRA (but while identifying as a woman) argued unsuccessfully that it breached his human rights not to be able to put himself down as ‘parent’ or ‘father/parent’ on his (naturally conceived) kids’ birth certificates.

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2015/990.html

So from a quick read through the judgement, if he failed to convince that his human rights were breached by not being able to be listed as something other than ‘father’, it’s not looking very hopeful for this more recent case.

There was a similar case in Germany last year. It was decided that biological reality had to be recorded on the birth certificate.

Odd, given that biological reality had been ignored when changing the parent's birth certificate from her true, biologically real, sex to his biologically unreal personal choice of gender.