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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Kids Are Less Conservative About Gender Roles Than Cis Kids

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WAKAME · 02/06/2018 12:16

It is often suggested in gender critical circles that trans people have very rigid and conservative views of gender roles and stereotypes, but a recent study has found that trans kids (and their siblings) are actually less rigid about gender stereotypes than their cis peers.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28913950

This is no surprise to trans people of course - we spend our lives fighting against imposed gender roles - the pre-transition life of a trans woman for example, is typically spent being told by homophobes not to be so girly, whilst her post-transition life is typically spent being told by TERFs how manly she is.

So it is a sad irony that whilst trans kids are "more willing to indicate a desire to befriend and attend school with someone who violates gender stereotypes", it is be amongst gender non-conforming women that they will find many of the people who repeatedly accuse them of perpetuating gender stereotypes.

Still, from a feminist perspective, it's nice to know that trans kids are leading the way by helping to support their gender non-conforming peers, whilst also helping to educate the people around them about the acceptance of human diversity. And as more and more trans people come out in childhood and access the help they need, I am sure things are only going to get better :-)

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NotMeOhNo · 04/06/2018 03:20

One explanation for this line of argument (I conformed to masculine stereotypes but felt female) is body dysmorphia.

Another, more plausible explanation in my opinion, is that it's an autogynephile's excuse as to why they weren't effeminate as a child.

Wakame · 05/06/2018 14:23

No time to answer all the comments here, but just to clarify - body dysmorphic disorder (BDD) is a different condition (as any psychiatrist will tell you).

BDD is essentially a feeling that you are physically very ugly. Trans people don't necessarily feel ugly. Being trans is also about identity - BDD is not - BDD sufferers don't want to change their names or their birth certificates etc etc.

The similarity is superficial.

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toomanyeggs · 05/06/2018 14:25

Don't cis my kids, thank you very much.

OldCrone · 05/06/2018 15:25

@Wakame
Gender dysphoria is very similar to Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID). Sufferers of BIID identify as disabled, and request amputation of healthy limbs.

Body integrity identity disorder (BIID)--is the amputation of healthy limbs ethically justified?

Lobbies of persons suffering from BIID explain the desire for amputation in analogy to the desire of transsexuals for surgical sex reassignment.

The woman in this article identified as blind and asked a psychologist to blind her using drain cleaner.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/body-integrity-identity-disorder-the-condition-where-sufferers-want-to-be-disabled-a6680306.html

Bowlofbabelfish · 05/06/2018 15:27

BDD is essentially a feeling that you are physically very ugly.

No it isn’t. It can manifest all sorts of ways - that one has too many limbs for example. Being thought ugly is just one manifestation.

SarahCarer · 06/06/2018 19:42

Hi Wakame. Did you read all my comments? Just wondered if you could articulate what having a female gender identity is for you beyond that single word? I've worked quite hard to understand.

Datun · 07/06/2018 09:44

Another, more plausible explanation in my opinion, is that it's an autogynephile's excuse as to why they weren't effeminate as a child

Mine too. A masculine boy (tomboy) who wants to be 'treated like a girl'.

@Wakame - can you describe 'being treated like a girl'?

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