Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

white, middle class women with no understanding of other cultures or ways of life.

People that say this are really stupid.

Can’t comment really as I don’t know much about it.

What don't you know much about MissSusan Irish Catholics? Irish Catholic women? Repeal of the 8th?

Of course not. I object - not to an individual woman wearing a headscarf - but to the patriarchal religious concept of women covering their hair/faces - and the history of forcing women to wear one.

YY. This is entirely my position too.

Anyway, posie is speaking in Truro, after all. Hurrah!

This thread is fairly moot now. Good sense has prevailed.

"Those who have been on MN for a long time will know that Posie used to be notorious for starting anti-muslim threads.

Usually some anecdotal rubbish about a Muslim checkout worker sneering when handling bacon or some sub EDL nonsense. "

Any links at all? I remember a bacon thread but definitely it wasn't by Posie.

There is a post here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1036317-to-think-that-Muslim-Girls-should-not-be-wearing-headscarves?messages=100&pg=1 from 8 (!) years ago saying, er, exactly the same thing she's being criticised for now.

So enlighten me, as an ex Catholic, how you turn a blind eye to your chosen religion's oppression of women.

I’m not an ex-Catholic. Your reading comprehension needs work. I was never baptised or confirmed. My parents stopped practising before they were married and were married at a registry office to avoid the church- much to my grandmother’s disappointment.

I went it a C of E junior school and a Presbyterian nursery school. Does that help?

I’ve also taught in a majority Muslim school. Any better?

An adult woman with autonomy who makes the free choice (which doesn't happen in a vacuum either) to wear a hijab does not mean that the hijab is not a symbol of misogynistic oppression.

That is true. But lots of things are symbolic of misogynistic oppression and people choose to do them. E.g. having your father walk you down the aisle (symbolic of women being chattels handed over from father to husband) or taking your husband's surname (harks back to when women were non-persons in law). I would not express disgust at a woman choosing to do those things, even though they are based on misogyny and oppression. I recognise that doing those things does not make a person oppressed. I know fiercely independent Muslim women who speak up against misogyny in their culture, yet who still choose to wear the Hijab.

So finally it has been established MissSusan that you know little to nothing about the Irish Catholic women community despite stating that they were the ONLY reason for the success in the recent Repeal referendum in Ireland. And you used this to highlight an argument you made that the only way to get change amongst Muslim women was to listen to what they said.

I would not express disgust at a woman choosing to do those things, even though they are based on misogyny and oppression.

Who is expressing disgust at women for exercising this choice if entirely free? Certainly not me. I'm saying it doesn't happen in a vacuum, and there are many many women who don't have the choice.

Hang on. WPUK has said this morning that they are cancelling the Cornwall event, not that they have changed their minds on this. Yes, people might be hosting their own meeting in Cornwall, but not under the WPUK banner. I cannot see anything about them backtracking.

Elendon

I see you’ve sprung your trap. Good show.

Except your reading comprehension still needs work. Jees, missed the point much.

I love your emphatic and over the top use of ‘only’ to try to gaslight me into misremembering my own point.

Look, you misunderstood what I said and have subsequently gone on an intolerant rant. Your bad, I would say.

Yes, I agree Ereshkigal, it is complex and nuanced. That's why it's not as simple as saying 'disgusting' and 'sort it out'. Banning the hijab wouldn't even stop oppression or have much impact. My point is that this is such a complex argument and it needs the input of voices from the Muslim community- it cannot just be fought by white people on their behalf.

Where does it say wp are backtracking?

And, you are SO right. That bit where I said I couldn’t comment on the beliefs of Catholic women WAS me claiming to know things about the Catholic community in Ireland

Or was it?

I mean, it could have been.

Or maybe it wasn’t.

I just don’t know anymore. Maybe I was making a point about Irish women being important in the debate and then you hopped on my use of Catholic to pound me to death so we wouldn’t talk about the issue at hand. Purposely trying to avoid any discussion of whether what Posie said was offensive (it was) and whether WPUK were right to take her off the bill for the Cornwall event (they were).

You will not silence me MissSusan

You have been fully hoisted by your own petard.

Hahaha. As if you could be silenced. Have I said I want to silence you? Point it out.

Carry on waiving your bigoted views around. Your funeral

PeakPants As I understand it, the local organisers desperately didn't want to let attendees down (some of whom had booked non refundable accommodation and transport) and are still holding a meeting in Truro on the 9th. WPUK are no longer involved.

Your funeral

Are you threatening me?

MissSusan

Yeah it's the same event with the same speeches and opinions just minus the WPUK banner.

So now three rival speaking tour movements:

deplatformed WPUK
WPUK
We Need to Talk

Perhaps someone could do a Venn Diagram or matrix or something according to the group each speaker belongs to.

@PermissionToSpeakSir "Regarding transmen. I find the eugenics & misogyny of gay men renting wombs to buy designer babies immoral. The planned and deliberate separation of the baby from their mother is cruel and selfish. I took Posie's comment about transmen to be in keeping with that, rather than her proposing a sterilisation programme."

I'm confused by your thinking on this. Two questions, if you don't mind expanding a bit on what you said:

Do you find all surrogacy cruel and selfish, involving as it does the planned and deliberate separation of baby from mother, or do you feel that way only for the particular cases of surrogacy you mention?

Also, I'm not seeing how this connects to the discussion of transmen carrying and parenting their own child. There's no separation involved, as the baby stays with and is parented by the person who carried it.

Yes, I agree Ereshkigal, it is complex and nuanced. That's why it's not as simple as saying 'disgusting' and 'sort it out'. Banning the hijab wouldn't even stop oppression or have much impact. My point is that this is such a complex argument and it needs the input of voices from the Muslim community- it cannot just be fought by white people on their behalf.

I don't disagree with any of that. And have not said anything contradictory.

And this is a thread about a woman saying something unpleasant?

I took a bet with myself to see if you’d go there. And you did. Bravo. Top goady fuckery.

Another reading fail I see.

Let’s phrase it another way-

You are making yourself look ridiculous. It is hilarious. Please continue to entertain me with your inability to read inference and let me mock your racist views and gaslighting.

Is that clearer for you.

Because every post you do is making you look sillier and sillier.