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BabyItsAWildWorld · 30/05/2018 12:18

Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

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speakingwoman · 30/05/2018 22:22

Thank you bewilderness.
I just assumed @posieparker would read the whole thread!
I have much to learn!
Maybe she is busy with the kids.

thebewilderness · 30/05/2018 22:23

PeakPants

Bit disingenuous considering your woman bashing comment was removed.

speakingwoman · 30/05/2018 22:26

I still have t got it right have I?

I like the Gish Gallop thing. It is what defendants do in legal cases in my field.

thebewilderness · 30/05/2018 22:27

It is a bad day on MN when people are taking a Lemon Curd recipe personally.
Maybe cat pics would be better received?

PeakPants · 30/05/2018 22:27

Bit disingenuous considering your woman bashing comment was removed

It was bashing a woman, yes. Not women in general. I also found it odd that people would try to stick up for someone making such comments (hence the ringleader comment) but clearly I have a lot to learn and I have withdrawn it now. I admit it was a personal attack on PP, based on my assessment of her from reading twitter, on here and watching her videos. I see why it was removed. I am not a PP fan and it has nothing to do with her biology and everything to do with her views.

speakingwoman · 30/05/2018 22:29
thebewilderness · 30/05/2018 22:29

speakingwoman
That is correct. It will generate an automatic notification to her in box and an email alert.
Try it with your own ID and you will see how it works.

PeakPants · 30/05/2018 22:30

It is a bad day on MN when people are taking a Lemon Curd recipe personally.

Really? I thought it was pretty well known that it's a tactic used to ignore and annoy MRA trolls. Am I wrong on that count? Does lemon curd have something to do with the thread? Is there another reason why you posted it or was I wrong about it being aimed at me? If it was aimed at me, obviously I would take it personally seeing as that was the intent. However, please correct me if I am wrong.

MistAmougstElephants · 30/05/2018 22:30

But you took your dislike of her and threw us all in with her?? Even though many diagreed with her? It's like one woman represents all women attitude to the extreme.

CharlieParley · 30/05/2018 22:31

Thank you for tolerating my correction of your misunderstanding of both rat's and my posts.

A simple Google search would have sufficed btw to show you that your belief that I couldn't possibly be stating facts was erroneous.

SupermatchGame · 30/05/2018 22:32

Let's find out.

Posie
Picassospaintbrush · 30/05/2018 22:33

False Section 28 call allegations are being reported to the police and to MPs running the GRA consultations.This is a deliberate shutting down smear tactic.

Musing away here with casual analogies about this subject is completely insensitive to this situation. And a really unacceptable smear.

Maybe you don't know. But it is not going to go down well here.

SuperDandy · 30/05/2018 22:33

Nauticant said: "I was beaten to it but I'll stick this up anyway. If the mother isn't in the child's life, it's not harmful to the child as such (so long is their needs are met). If the mother is actually present but is denying that they are the child's mother, this is lying to the child and is not good for them."

This is one of several posts that struck me as reminiscent of homophobic attitudes towards same sex parents. So it's not just Posie's words being used as a stick to beat all FWR posters.

PeakPants · 30/05/2018 22:34

But you took your dislike of her and threw us all in with her?? Even though many diagreed with her? It's like one woman represents all women attitude to the extreme.

No, no, no, my comment was only directed at those who were sticking up for her comments. Not those criticising her. As I have said, I was wrong to say it.

thebewilderness · 30/05/2018 22:36

PeakPants

Yes, you were wrong about it being aimed at you.
All you did is take the women here to task for something some other woman said somewhere else.
Which is probably why you thought it was aimed at you.

spontaneousgiventime · 30/05/2018 22:38

But you took your dislike of her and threw us all in with her?? Even though many diagreed with her? It's like one woman represents all women attitude to the extreme.

I think you'll find PeakPants apologised almost as soon as she posted what she did.

PeakPants · 30/05/2018 22:39

Fair enough. I apologise if it was indeed aimed at someone else (as I presume the gish gallop comment was too). I couldn't see who else it could be aimed at on the thread, but clearly I made an error.

As I have said about 4 times now, I did not mean to tar all with the same brush- just the ones who were sticking up for PP. Short of time-travelling and not making the now deleted comment in the first place, I really cannot see that I can do any more.

thebewilderness · 30/05/2018 22:40

Nauticant said: "I was beaten to it but I'll stick this up anyway. If the mother isn't in the child's life, it's not harmful to the child as such (so long is their needs are met). If the mother is actually present but is denying that they are the child's mother, this is lying to the child and is not good for them."

This is one of several posts that struck me as reminiscent of homophobic attitudes towards same sex parents. So it's not just Posie's words being used as a stick to beat all FWR posters.

To me it is reminiscent of the mothers and children who were required by their family and a cruel society to pretend they are siblings instead of mother and child.

I cannot accept your assertion that it is homophobic to disapprove of lying to children. However, I understand that many people are in favor of lying to children about all manner of things, including where babies come from.

SuperDandy · 30/05/2018 22:41

@Picassospaintbrush I'm aware the comparison to homophobic attitudes doesn't go down well here. Pretty sure I got that out in front before saying it in my post.

That does not stop it being a valid point to bring up in discussion.

It's not a smear to say that some opinions expressed in posts are reminiscent to me of homophobic attitudes of past years that are now seen as totally unacceptable. You may not like or agree with me on that, but it's not a smear.

BeyondSceptical · 30/05/2018 22:44

"To me it is reminiscent of the mothers and children who were required by their family and a cruel society to pretend they are siblings instead of mother and child."

My Nan was one of those :(

thebewilderness · 30/05/2018 22:46

It's not a smear to say that some opinions expressed in posts are reminiscent to me of homophobic attitudes of past years that are now seen as totally unacceptable.

"When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail."

Bespin · 30/05/2018 22:47

What you want to do is contact the BBC and get them to write an article about being no platformed and silanced. They like. Stories like that

SuperDandy · 30/05/2018 22:49

Bewilderness: "I cannot accept your assertion that it is homophobic to disapprove of lying to children."

Totally fine with me, being as I didn't say anything of the sort.

I'll try again, in the interests of clarity.

Posts that say, or imply strongly (not in these exact words because I can't quote them all), that having a trans man as a parent is damaging to children, are reminiscent to me of attitutudes from the past that having same sex parents would be damaging to children.

PeakPants · 30/05/2018 22:49

I cannot accept your assertion that it is homophobic to disapprove of lying to children. However, I understand that many people are in favor of lying to children about all manner of things, including where babies come from.

But why are we assuming that they would lie? Parents may very well sit the child down and explain how they were conceived and carried- it's just that the person who gave birth now chooses to take testosterone and goes by a male surname. Equally, you could express concern that lesbians or gay couples who have a child through donor sperm/surrogate might 'lie' and not tell the child where it really came from. Many heterosexual parents used to tell their kids they arrived via the stork and some kids went for a long time without knowing how babies were made. It still doesn't explain why someone should call for another person's sterilisation and say that if someone wants to remove their breasts, they should not be allowed to be a mother.

Picassospaintbrush · 30/05/2018 22:49

Well do carry on reminiscing. No doubt your posts will appear on twitter as proof that the feminists here are considered homophobic, you were aware of that but chose to do that anyway. As you say, you are not surprised we are not all chuffed to bits with your contribution.