Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

Then maybe read it properly Elendon. Unless I have misunderstood what you're saying?

"Children under the age of 16 can consent to their own treatment if they're believed to have enough intelligence, competence and understanding to fully appreciate what's involved in their treatment."

So to id as and be treated as though you’re a woman -

there is no need for : hormones, a diagnoses of dysphoria, surgery, stereotypical female presentation, even taking a female name.

Do what actually makes a man a woman?

Should TIFs be allowed to conceive ?

This is a valid point for discussion . A medic is responsible for their prescriptions. So for example if a woman of child bearing potential is prescribed roaccutane the Prescriber has to make sure the patient fully understands the risk, is consenting in an informed manner and the patient should be committed to using two forms of contraception, one long acting as a preference. It’s similar in clinical trials - before we dose, anyone of child bearing potential and often their partner too has to sign an informed consent form and comittvtonusong two forms of contraception, one preferably long acting.

Note this is not FORCED: we cannot make the patient take it. What we have a duty to do is make the patient aware and monitor. So often you’d be asked at every trial visit to do a pregnancy dipstick and if found to be pregnant we MUST stop the drug and report the pregnancy.

In the case of a trans man wishing to get pregnant their doctor would be negligent if they didn’t tell the patient that they should stop T well before ttc, and not take it during the pregnancy. You can’t force a patient not to take it. However you’d be within your rights to stop prescribing. You retain responsibility for your prescriptions.

The Gillick competency relates to contraceptives Game.

That is sterility by choice not enforced

A child can't truly consent to be sterilised. They don't have adequate understanding of how it will affect them over the whole course of their lives.

Why are these meetings taking place?

Um, because some people don't think self-ID is a good idea? But that's not usually because they're okay with surgically altered males being "women" but not non-surgically altered ones; because people with a GRC aren't obliged to medically transition.

Although I wish it were because of that because I could clear that up for them right now!

However, it does not relate to sterilisation Game

Yes originally came from that El but as you can see on the NHS page you quoted it is being use to refer to any treatment in general not just contraception.

For all those crying freedom of speech, posie said exactly what she wanted to say, no one stopped her. The consequences of this were that WPUK decided they didn't want to be associated with her. In the same way that ABC have decided not to be associated with Roseanne Barr. WPUK and ABC are also entitled to freedom of speech, they are entitled to say they don't want anything to do with those views. I am GC and neither do I.

But according to you Poly self id is already in place.

Don't be obtuse Gam

It's the Gillick competency test the page is referring to. And this test does NOT allow for sterilisation.

A child can't truly consent to be sterilised. They don't have adequate understanding of how it will affect them over the whole course of their lives.

Totally agree. My comment was that adult TIF's become sterile by choice due to taking cross sex hormones and not enforced as tweeted by Posie.

"Uppity" does have racist connotations.

Yeah, I discovered this after mortally offending everyone on an American website about five years ago. I'd always used it as a synonym for bolshy or chippy. But um... not since then!

I could believe that being Gender Critical GC is an abhorrent stance much like racism, Islamophobia, sexism and misogyny. I could happily throw you under a bus for not agreeing with me.

Not listening. LA LA LA LA LA LA

No - because you generally have to be over 30 for sterilisation.

You said that under 16 year olds can't consent to operations. They can. They can consent to treatment including gender treatment. You even provided the reference yourself Elendon. Don't blame me!

In the UK a child becomes and adult at 18. I thought we all accepted that?

No we don't. There is no one definition of child or adult. Different rules apply at different ages. In Scotland for example a 16 year old can leave home and get married without parents' or guardians' consent and they can certainly make their own minds up about medical treatment.

I'm not sure what you think I am saying, but I certainly do not think a child, which is person under 18 should be making life changing decisions

A person under 18 is not necessarily a child. There are any number of life changing decisions which a 16 year old can make.

My point - that I'm still pondering on - about sterilisation in TIMs as opposed to TIFs, is that frequently a (usually mildly) GC poster will say "oh transwomen are okay in xyz space, but only if they are fully post-op".

Could someone who is against posie's comment on TIFs but agrees with the above talk me through it? As I'm not seeing how one is okay and the other not.

Of course there is the possibility that it is not those who say the above who are disagreeing with posie, so there is that.

My post of 19:44 was SARCASM by the way.

I'm guessing that no one on here would argue that a 16 year old should not be able to go on the pill unless she has parents' consent? Or a 15 year old choose to have an abortion?

I saw this and thought of this situation
Jon Rohnson So you've been publicly shamed

Does this help you, SMG and Elendon?

www.nevesllp.co.uk/our-news/supporting-transgender-children

I think the Fraser guidelines apply only to contraception, but Gillick competency is general (despite the name coming from a case involving contraception).

But according to you Poly self id is already in place.

I'm so confused; I haven't said self-ID is already here. I said you don't currently have to have medically transitioned to get a GRC. That's a fact.

Lots of people disagree with removing the 2 year wait and medical diagnosis aspects of the process, and that's okay, but the GRC process does not currently mandate sterilisation.

Anyway, don't want you to think I'm badgering you; i'll leave that with you.

Ok- I understand a lot of people may not get where offence could be taken at “uppity” so the acknowledgement is appreciated. Bored of typing the word now!

"Uppity" is only used by a person of higher status about a person they consider of lower status who is getting above themselves.

It can be used by men or women about other men or women. Servants, natives, the working-class, wives, lower-ranking employees, have all, I would guess, have been described as "uppity" at some time.

It is not a word I would use except in a jokey way with family or very close friends.

It is not a word I would use except in a jokey way with family or very close friends.

And about said family and friends only.