Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

WPUK absolutely shouldn't have released this statement without discussion with posie. However the decision to distance themselves from her was absolutely the right one. Posie isn't anyone particularly relevant or important to be talking; she's just a vocal and outspoken gender critical feminist. Her tweets have been getting more and more outrageous, and given the WPUK are already being called a hate group they really don't need to be associating with someone who appears to advocate forced sterilisation for trans people.

"A condition? So you think TIFs shouldn't be 'allowed' to conceive a baby without permission?"

I'm on abortifacient medication - it will not be prescribed unless I am also using a form of hormonal medication (I assume this is dependant on having a male partner, but who knows)

Assigned.

got it!

So you think TIFs shouldn't be 'allowed' to conceive a baby without permission?

But is it possible taking, or a history of taking, T could have negative effects on the foetus and should this be researched? Something similar, say, to smoking or drinking alcohol during pregnancy?

I don't know. But I don't think anyone should be sterilised - unless they want to be.

Isn't hysterectomy recommended after X years on T due to risk of cancer anyway?

Apologies Chaj - I genuinely had no idea and will certainly be mindful of that in future.

Nobody should be sterilized.

Does that include men who wish to be known as a woman?

There are sure to be some TIF's who don't take hormones if they want a baby, yet call themselves men. Some TIF's may never take hormones, some will then come off them to try to have a baby. Which ones do we sterilise?

General question, not aimed at anyone.

Posie's tweet wasn't about testosterone it was about the role of mother for TIFs.
I completely agree that women should strongly be advised not to get pregnant whilst on T. I wish there was more research to prove that it is harmful so that GPs would only prescribe it alongside larc.

But that's not what that tweet was about, nor were posie's clarifications.

how would anybody join in??

No platforming would be a start.

Nobody should be sterilized.

No. Nobody should be sterilised. Including those who have puberty blockers as children followed by cross sex hormones which render them sterile.

But apparently, that's ok

cross sex hormones which render them sterile.

That is sterility by choice not enforced.

I completely agree that women should strongly be advised not to get pregnant whilst on T. I wish there was more research to prove that it is harmful so that GPs would only prescribe it alongside larc.

I doubt trans men would be allowed to get pregnant whilst on T. It is obviously highly teratogenic. Or even be able?

I have never, to my knowledge, called a black man uppity.

If I have, and let's face it I tweet a lot, please feel free to share.

Not if it's children spon

I think the Catholic and Christian religions have a lot to answer for and are a disgusting hangover of misogyny and patriarchy. I think the same of Islam which is no different in my opinion to 'followers of Christ'.

flashnazia

No. Nobody should be sterilised. Including those who have puberty blockers as children followed by cross sex hormones which render them sterile

But apparently, that's ok

Do you think that's what people criticising posie are saying? Or are they two completely different positions?

How can a child decide they want to be sterilized?

I have a friend who is 26 and was told no repeatedly by her GP because she was "too young".

Nobody should be sterilized.

Does that include men who wish to be known as a woman?

Sorry to jump in again cos I know this isn't aimed at me, but I think most people don't think anyone should be sterilised. INCLUDING transwomen. That's why we don't force it and a big part of why it ISN'T currently a requirement for GRC, no doubt.

I genuinely can't tell if you think it's required currently for a GRC or not; sorry for labouring the point.

Anyone wondering, no medical transition is required whatsoever to obtain a GRC under current rules.

Can you define what a child is Assigned ?

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth No, not children that's why I didn't include puberty blockers in my quote, just cross sex hormones.

Me too @chajapam. IMHO some tweets had an underlying nastiness that made me very uncomfortable. The last thing our cause needs is someone who is not mindful that their tweets could come across as bigoted.

Sorry no idea how to tag as I don’t post much. But no need to apologise as taken in isolation it’s just a word I would take no offence to usually! It was just the context under the circumstances and adding a different viewpoint.

Posie- it was to Clive Lewis. I agreed with your sentiment but didn’t appreciate that term. That’s my personal opinion and not on behalf on anyone else.

The desire of women who are telling us they are men to also change all of the language around pregnancy, childbirth, maternity and breastfeeding, including the people behind the demand for an apology from the Irish abortion campaign, is incredibly frustrating, harmful and insulting to women. Their goal is frequently self sterilisation.

We have to be permanently walking a tightrope in any discussion about this. It is not surprising this discussion occasionally goes off the tightrope.

We spend a lot of time here reflecting back the incongruence and duplicity of the mindset we are apparently obliged to understand and respect every nuance of at any given moment. It's impossible. This is another example of the impossibility of what is being demanded of all of us, all of the time.

What do mean Elendon? Surely the definition of a child is clear? Wha question are you actually asking me?