Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

I do think a condition of taking T is that you're not able to conceive a baby until there's definitive proof that you won't damage your baby

A condition? So you think TIFs shouldn't be 'allowed' to conceive a baby without permission?

However, I have nothing against something identifying as whatever they choose in their personal life as long as it does not affect others.

Wishy washy nonsense from someone who understands legal perspective?

Terfing

if you want to be a man you don't get to choose to carry babies too

Again. 'Don't get to'? Perhaps you mean that a TIF who gets pregnant shouldn't be 'allowed' to call herself a man, but that's not how that reads. It reads as if you think somebody should be arbitrating over the fertility and bodies of TIFs. That does sound a lot like enforced sterilisation.

"Yes I get that thank you speaking. You missed my point completely."
explain it to me then

the GRA act will not be dependent anymore on men getting a certificate or going through an operation to decide they are a woman

Previously men who wanted to call themselves women had to live in that 'persona' for two years, be on hormone therapy, and ideally have their genitals removed

Er, elendon, I think you've been misinformed. There is nothing at all in the current GRC process that requires or even recommends surgery OR hormones. It would be pretty murky ethically if there were!

These are the criteria from the gov.uk guidelines :

The Standard Application track for a Gender Recognition Certificate requires applicants to demonstrate that:
• They have, or have had, gender dysphoria
• They have lived fully for the last two years in their acquired gender and continue to
do so;
• They intend to live permanently in their acquired gender until death.

A condition? So you think TIFs shouldn't be 'allowed' to conceive a baby without permission?

Well unless they identify as gay within a relationship then it's going to be a problem don't you think?

I suppose if they are rich enough they can pay for the sperm donation, seeing that women, with children, who have breast cancer are on a waiting list for a life saving mastectomy.

@Elendon

That was a typo, I obviously meant 'someone' not 'something'

I don't understand your legal comment?

I didn’t accuse anyone of being racist. I said I didn’t like the tone and direction of her tweets and I wondered if she was a bit racist and unfollowed, I feel she had been pushing boundaries on Twitter. Posie has been defended here for her comments towards Muslims and, like I said it wasn’t an overt attack, but a picture. I saw posie call a black man “uppity”, which can have racial connotations and together with other comments- I didn’t like what I saw.

Er I think you misunderstand Gender dysphoria.

Gender dysphoria is what the new GRA is looking to get rid of, plus all the other pesky things such as intend for life (which is not set in concrete currently anyway).

Have a read of Truscum's posts RatRolyPoly And why are you responding to me. I didn't ask you any questions.

WPUK have completely thrown Posie to the wolves with that statement.

Easy to blame WPUK isn't it. Give someone enough rope.

Igoria your tone is really unpleasant there. I'm not revelling in it. Although I don't deny I felt a slight sense of validation. It doesn't surprise me though, another anti-trans person also appears to harbour unsavoury right-wing views. This forum is littered with quoted examples from Trump and Peterson to AcPeds and Brendan O'Neill. (And yes I'm counting). I expect the list will go on.

There are also many rad fems on here that jump forward equally quickly with gleeful shouts of 'own goal' when something happens the other way.

SuperMatch can I just point out, theres no way to acquire a sex.

You are male or female.

OBVIOUSLY women who identify as men shouldn't want to get pregnant, none of it makes sense. None of this ideology makes sense! That doesn't mean anyone has the right to say whether they should be 'allowed' to have babies FFS

Uppity simply means someone who is self-important.

Igorina

Er I think you misunderstand Gender dysphoria

If you think dysphoria = hormones/surgery I'm afraid it unquestionably is YOU who misunderstands. Sorry.

Self-ID may mean the difference between those who have proven a medical DIAGNOSIS and those who do not.

It does NOT mean the difference between transpeople who have medically TRANSITIONED and those who have not.

Well unless they identify as gay within a relationship then it's going to be a problem don't you think?

What's that got to do with the price of fish? Any mentally competent female person who wants to get pregnant and is able to get pregnant has the right to get pregnant. Their sexual orientation or relationship status isn't part of this point. Posie's tweet, and her 'clarifications' on this thread, strongly imply that she thinks that TIFs shouldn't be allowed to get pregnant unless they agree to call themselves women or cease to have dysphoria or whatever.

I am gender critical because I want to protect sex based rights and spaces. I have nothing against transgender people at all. Nobody should be sterilized.

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Hyppolyta: there is.

‘Uppity’ does have unfortunate connotations with racism. Whether PP is aware of I don’t know.

Like I said, it wasn’t overt and I didn’t like the tone of the tweets in general when building a picture of someone I had chosen to follow. Uppity can have negative connotations to some black people. I am fully aware of the official definition.

Speaking

No I disagree with the sterlisation comment. I agree with Posie's GC position generally.

I don't agree with all her opinions on other subjects. I'm not in charge of all other subjects and neither is she.

Elendon I was simply pointing out quite a crucial inaccuracy in your posts; I didn't mean to offend, only to contribute. Noone really waits to be spoken to round here; how would anybody join in??

much confusion today.

I guess Posie P never volunteered or offered to be my friend or inspiration.She's just someone I agree with about some things and disgustedly disagree with about others.

And the WPUK rationale - and the mumsnet rationale- are equal competitors in a sort of "most bizarre" competition.

Posie's tweet, and her 'clarifications' on this thread, strongly imply that she thinks that TIFs shouldn't be allowed to get pregnant unless they agree to call themselves women or cease to have dysphoria or whatever.

And the entire readership of the Daily Mail would no doubt agree with her.