Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

This thread is making me un-peak trans

What an adult female does or doesn't do with her body is her choice. If a trans man wants a baby, then that is their choice. They shouldn't be sterilized for having dysmorphia. If you sterilize those with dysmorphia, then you have to sterilize all people with mental health conditions, it's only fair...

I am gender critical because I want to protect sex based rights and spaces. I have nothing against transgender people at all. Nobody should be sterilized.

What a shit show. Academics who should know better are now using this as a stick to beat WPUK with.

Under the circumstances I don't see that there's anything else they could do other than dis-invite Posie.

"I'm confused"

Join the club - the queue goes around the block!

I ask SupermatchGame because the GRA act will not be dependent anymore on men getting a certificate or going through an operation to decide they are a woman. It's about self declaration.

Previously men who wanted to call themselves women had to live in that 'persona' for two years, be on hormone therapy, and ideally have their genitals removed. This is now deemed too severe and possibly be deemed as enforced sterilisation. In future, if the bill goes through, merely saying you are a woman is enough to get you into women's spaces.

#manfriday is doing sterling work in women self identifying as males. Latest stunt is swimming in the male pond in Hampstead Heath. The police were called and the men were not impressed.

These women didn't need to grow a penis to do this, nor did they even need to be 'passing' as men.

Do you think it's right that men should be able to self identify to get into women's spaces?

They shouldn't be sterilized for having dysmorphia. If you sterilize those with dysmorphia, then you have to sterilize all people with mental health conditions, it's only fair..

So you are in favour of self id?

Talking now? Gosh Assigned you sound like you think I often talk nonsense.

Oh yes nothing wrong with a bit of controversy to illustrate a point, I agree with you there.

And to be clear, that sterlisation comment was grotesque and grossly stupid and I certainly question Posie's judgement.

There do seem to be quite a few people whose judgement you question whilst at the same time agreeing with them on only one issue: trans people.

Join the club - the queue goes around the block!

have a rueful :)

I’m a black woman and a feminist and I unfollowed PP on Twitter a week or so ago. I didn’t report as nothing she said was overtly “racist” (as can be the case in the UK) but I really didn’t like the tone and direction of her tweets. Some aren’t any of the ones being discussed today so I don’t want to offer them up for ammunition as I support the ultimate cause. But yeah, I wondered if she was a bit racist and I also feel it reflected poorly on the events she was scheduled to speak at. I support her right to speak but I don’t have to like it or choose to be in her company. Freedom of speech does not mean no consequences at all!

Quite Tru

You are so gender dysphoric you have your breasts removed but you want the experience of pregnancy and childbirth, which is one of the most female experiences ever. And of course demand everyone else to say that it is in fact NOT one of the most female experiences ever, or even a female experience at all, because it triggers your 'dysphoria'.

Right.

Not sure if 'own goal' really does all this justice.

I'm Irish and a feminist and I don't do twitter because I can't stand the vitriol.

There is no such thing as being a 'bit' racist in my opinion. Remembrances of being young and Irish looking for a place to live in London.

"Freedom of speech does not mean no consequences at all!"

It certainly doesn't chajazam but I think Posie was up for defending herself and being accountable for her words . And she lost at least one follower, you, due to what she said.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time Super, and no I don't have to agree slavishly with everything someone says simply because I agree with them one issue. Within reason, of course. But I'm sure you will do the usual TRA on this

But yes, you talk pish pretty much most of the time.

@Elendon

I am against self-I'd from a legal and practical perspective. However, I have nothing against something identifying as whatever they choose in their personal life as long as it does not affect others.

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post though?

Elendon I don't think trans women had to live in role, or had to be on hormone therapy - think most of them have done it because that is what they wanted to do and who they feel they are.

As I understand it the reason why they are reviewing the GRA is to consolidate the rights of transgender people in line with international developments. In particular the "rights of transgender people to self-determination, privacy and dignity including the process by which they may obtain legal gender recognition."

It is to avoid what has been described as an invasive, medicalised quasi-judicial process. There will still be trans women who live in role for not only 2 years but for the rest of their lives. As per the declaration. And plenty will still want HRT etc.

#manfriday is doing sterling work in women self identifying as males.

I'm not sure. They are like David Lewis, yet again showing us that the only people who invade the opposite sex's spaces are in fact non trans people trying to prove that people will invade these spaces.

Do you think it's right that men should be able to self identify to get into women's spaces?

No.

Assigned is vehemently disagreeing with Posie about trans people you daft twit supermatch.

But yeah, I wondered if she was a bit racist

But didn't wonder if she was 'a bit' transphobic?

chajazam if you're going to accuse someone publicy of being rascist you should bloody well have the courage of your convictions to explain why and provide some evidence.

What a cowardly defamatory attack on someone who is public, from someone hiding behind a nickname, with a casual dismissal of the need to evidence racism when you call it.

You may not have liked some things Posie has said but at least she says them openly, and will explain and defend them.

You've not done any of that, just cowardly stepping in here to throw a punch, without explaining why, and from where you can't be seen.

Then you do not understand the current issues SupermatchGame.

Google is your friend here and I'm not going to educate you any further on this.

Do you think WPuk is advocating for the sterilisation of males?

WPUK have completely thrown Posie to the wolves with that statement.

I imagine there will be quite a few feminists who think twice about saying yes to speak at one of their meetings after this.

They really should have handled this better.

Yes I get that thank you speaking. You missed my point completely.

Elendon I've said many times I don't support unrestricted self ID.

But I do support transitioned trans people to fully live in their acquired sex. Many on here do not.

There's a lot of "GC" tweets that make me think "OK, but look…" Whereas Posie is so frequently downright morally ugly and hateful it shocks me. I know not all GC people are bigots but, like UKIP, maybe you should find some means of determining who is and who isn't before somebody embarrasses the movement with "gay donkeys molested my horse" or "I quite fancy the gorillas in Glasgow zoo" type announcements.

Ugh, I didn't refresh before posting but I see Super is here to revel in this.

There goes the thread.