Turns out Hampstead swimming ponds are single SEX after all ...

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... at least the men's pond is

Well done to the fabulous #ManFriday gents for exposing this rank hypocricy! Splendid work, chaps

What are some other (designated) men only spaces women could self identify into?

Hard to attend most mens sports - swimming is an exception ! - because of physical risks.

Mens toilets. Have witnessed bad reactions from men to women using those, eg in bars when the womens queue is long.

Mens health services and support groups - users and staff. Attending those or self identifying as a male nurse would seem unfair on male service users, but that’s what’s happening to women.

Men only social clubs, eg the posh ones.

Secondary schools.

DARVO definition from someone here a few weeks ago: "He's not hurting you; you're hurting him by saying he's hurting you."

That's a perfect example. Like "it hurts me having to do this to you". Abuser speak.

Alongside 'your face is hurting my knuckles'

My point is the only argument Fae has is you're hurting people - cos their feelings are hurt when the focus is taken off them and onto women and children's rights and safeguarding. That's the gas lighting designed to confuse the listener/onlooker - crying wolf in other words.

YY.

Stupid women and their boring pedestrian domestic murders cos of their silly eggshell skulls.

Man, 49, with a penis and make up complaining he can't go into a woman's gym. He won't fell safe in a male changing room.

Someone call a waaaahmbulance for h* for treatment for h* hurt feelings.

What are some other (designated) men only spaces women could self identify into?

Gentlemen's clubs, golf clubs.

This may get me deleted, but I sometimes work in an environment where I get sex calls (think call centre, not actual sex line!). You quickly learn to identify which calls are sex calls generally within less than a minute of the call starting. Fae would have sent the red flag up very quickly.

"I woke up on the morning of Genderquake and cried my eyes out" (paraphrased from the radio just now)

Feel sorry for me, I'm the saddest sad in the land!

Wonderful interview Sweary! The trans person’s response: “But ma feelz!” Seemed like LBC guy got it - “it seems like you two are talking at cross purposes. One of you is talking about sex and the other about gender.”

Good bit of radio that, thank you @SwearyG

Off of the typed and anonymous world of Twitter they don't sound insane, they sound disingenuous. They sound like men trying out a con.

Who was the trans person?

Fantastic Sweary!

The transgender person seemed to be stumped toward the end there...' I didn't dress up as a man, I self identified as a man and put on a bikini'

Sweary also got in a commemt about transwomen who still have their penises not being appropriate in women’s facilities. I really think most people still think that all transwomen are post-op transsexuals.

Very good Interview. !! The transperson had nothing to say besides ""feelz" and transwomen are women.

Does anyone have a link to the radio interview?

Yes the bits about not changing anything, wearing a bikini but still self identifying as a man because you don't have to change anything, and 'trans women' still having penises will have caused some heads to pop I think.

Sweary also got in a commemt about transwomen who still have their penises not being appropriate in women’s facilities. I really think most people still think that all transwomen are post-op transsexuals.

Well done Sweary. Yes, they do.

All the stuff about feelings and making them cry - this is what these men think that real ladies do, in their eyes ladies always get our own way because we cry and make people feel sorry for us. They are angry about that, they see our tears as a privilege we bring out whenever we want something. And so when they say they are hurting and crying they are trying to leverage that privilege as well as get the kick of being "in role" in a way they see as meaningful and true.

We never actually see the tears, we just hear about them. When they say they are hurt they always come across more like they are angry.

Of course when faced with real women who are making an argument and not relying on tears, they dismiss us as bitches. Women who don't cry are not women at all. We need slapping until we learn to cry, then they can pretend to empathise with us and tell us how we need not cry if we just do what we are supposed to, which is let them do what they want.

If women did actually cry and claim hurt at the way these men are steamrolling us they'd dismiss us in a heartbeat as just silly women doing what silly women do.

They are misogynists, the only reason so many people empathise with their bullshit, instead of seeing it for what it is, is that so many people really don't see misogyny.

I heard the interview on LBC and I thought their guy did quite a good job of things in such a short piece (the man speaking directly to Hannah and the transman whose name I didn't catch, not Nick Ferrari. He's rubbish)

I find it so frustrating when transpeople say that they find anything other than unquestioning affirmation of their feelings to be upsetting, and that their feelings are paramount. So, the transman cried at Genderquake and this is a valid reason to close down any debate, to protect them from...er...crying again, but the notion that women may feel uncomfortable or afraid of males in their spaces is just silly and can be dismissed without discussion. The person actually laughed.

Yes. I was thinking about this on the way to work this morning.

Paedophiles presumably feel happier when allowed to abuse children.
Self harmers feel happier when they are cutting themselves.
Anorexics feel happier when starving themselves to death.

But we don't think these are good things or encourage them.

So why promote body modifications like this? We should be counselling surely to come to accept the healthy nature given body.

I mean, I'm sure being trans is hard and most people probably experience ridicule or downright persecution at times, but they are not the only people in the world to feel (or actually have!) vulnerabilities. TRAs don't seem capable of extending any empathy to others around what I think are valid concerns around self-id.

Those concerns aren't even just about safety, for me. My feelings of simply being uncomfortable and embarrassed around people of the male sex in some situations are just as valid as their feelings. Surely? But talking about it makes me a bigot?!

@JoanSummers: so many people really don't see misogyny.

YY, absolutely agree. They don't experience it, therefore they don't feel it exists or effects them. Same with racism IME.

Being gender non conforming is always hard. Transphobia is rebranding of the dislike of people who don't conform to gender stereotypes. It's been coopted by transactivists. But instead of saying 'hey we don't conform to stereotypes and we defend our right not to conform' they say 'hey I do conform to stereotypes because I'm the opposite sex'.