Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

[IAmDavidLewis]

Well, one of the weirdest days in my life concluded with me receiving a letter informing me of my immediate suspension from the Labour Party. They believe I may have breached the rules by subverting the intention of All Women Shortlists, Women’s Officers or minimum quotas for women. Unfortunately, this does mean that my political ambitions are on hold for a while. I shall of course be continuing to self-identify as a woman every Wednesday, as that is my gender identity...

I have to say a huge thanks to @namechangeah for all her help, guidance and, more importantly, proof-reading! I wouldn’t have gotten to this point without it. I’d also like to thank everyone for their support today. I hope this has helped a bit.

And the Telegraph called me an “activist”! Achievement unlocked

Urgh, i only read a bit of that and wanted to vomit.

Before I got that far, I wanted to take issue with the point about whether David has a female gender identity. What exactly is a female gender identity? How does one know if one has it? I have been four decades on this planet and I don’t have a gender identity.

So how can I judge someone else’s?

David, bless him, wants to be the Woman’s Officer to highlight injustices to women. The problem seems to be, despite saying he identifies as a woman (clearly he has found the gender identity thing which eludes me), he looks like a man. Now other people who say they identify as women also look biologically male, but that seems fine.

So is the problem that David’s gender identity is only part-time, or that it is apparently fake?

And what even is this gender identity thing anyway? I don’t have one. We cannot see it, smell it, taste it or touch it. So how does anyone know what it is, much less be certain enough today David’s is not real enough.

Very confused.

I’m sorry for posting something so upsetting but I feel it is vital we see them.

I’m sure this is only a tiny percentage of transwoman but I’m still not happy with that risk.

I’m so sad for the transwoman who are also being damaged by these wrong minded individuals.

Anyway, SuperMatchGame. Are these fake or real transwomen?

That's right Simon you carry on entertaining yourself. The more bizarre the better hey. I know, why not find the most outlandish strange offensive behaviour in the world and then use it to gaslight genuine trans women?

@SupermatchGame How do you intend to keep the sexual predators and fetishists out once you allow self ID?

genuine trans women

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That's right, Supermatchgame - you just try to downplay that behaviour - a known trait of people with AGP - and tell women we don't need to worry about it. Event though they're trying to gain access to our bathrooms.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Just dismiss all our fears with a pat on the head SuperMatchGame.

I’ll ask you again. If I were to find one of these individuals routing through the bins in a toilet could I throw them out as they aren’t a genuine transwoman?

And do you know what. Violence is committed all day every day by men against women. This is why we want safe spaces, without men in them. I don’t have to go through the dark corners of the internet to find examples they are in every newspaper every day.

BTW - SMG - not all transwomen have GRCs - so not all are legally women.

Thanks for acknowledging speakingwoman, appreciated.

If self identification is all it takes then “pretending” has been abolished.

I'm actually not in favour of self ID as I've said many times. But if it did come in as set out in the Scottish consultation, it still necessitates that they "confirm they fully understand the implications of their application and intend to live in their acquired gender for the rest of their lives."

So that would prevent the Wednesday Women and Bunces would it not?

No - it wouldn't prevent Pip Bunce. Labour AWS don't require, or ask for a legal declaration. Only that they self-identify as a women.

But if it did come in as set out in the Scottish consultation, it still necessitates that they "confirm they fully understand the implications of their application and intend to live in their acquired gender for the rest of their lives."

They mentioned non binary gender identity in the Scottish consultation. Obviously my comments were wholly negative. How would that work then, given that they don't have an "acquired gender"? Which facilities and services should they use? Because obviously the Scottish consultation answered all these questions, didn't it?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Strange. Angry said that to me not so long ago.

Anyway.. no I didn't downplay it Toe as you well know, I said it was the most outlandish offensive behaviour.

No, it wouldn't. And its pretty frightening that you still don't get how far men with a fetish are prepared to go.

Have you heard of William Jaggs? Why are men with a conviction for a violent sexual crime permitted to transition?

How would that work then, given that they don't have an "acquired gender"?

I have no idea, it's a good question.

Not really what we were discussing though. Which was about a man pretending to be a trans woman. And the fact that the only time that has happened here was when a man was trying to prove that a man could pretend to be a trans woman and get on a list. And then didn't.

You wrote this:

That's right Simon you carry on entertaining yourself. The more bizarre the better hey. I know, why not find the most outlandish strange offensive behaviour in the world and then use it to gaslight genuine trans women?

These "outlandish strange" people are part of the transgender group trying to use women's loos. How do you propose to protect us from them?

BTW - SMG - not all transwomen have GRCs - so not all are legally women.

SMG is balancing a ball on nose while lighting a gas fire.

Quite. You said it yourself. They are legally women. Hence not men. Even when it comes out of your own mouth you dispute it!

Legally women as a legal fiction. Not really female. As we have discussed and discussed and discussed.

They count themselves amongst genuine transwomen - how do we differentiate?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Strange. Angry said that to me not so long ago.

What do you mean, strange? It's a common idiom. Why do you think it's strange?

Gendercritter
'our David'
Love this. That's what he is. Ours.
It reminds me of home when I talk about my family. I always say our this and our that when referring to family members.

That's right Simon you carry on entertaining yourself.

If that's not a dismissive statement, then I don't know what is.

Yes I have Upstart. Horrible. Killer. Crossdressing man. Not a woman or trans woman. Schizophrenic.

Any more arsonists, murderers, rapists, child abusers, crimes against humanity.. you'd like to bring up in relation to trans women?

a man...get on a list. And then didn't.

But she did. She has even told you she did. Again, that is the whole point.

Oh, SMG thinks we're sockpuppets.

Check it out with MNHQ - I've only ever used one username under this registration, I'm no sock puppet.

I deleted the old registration after that intern started posting users IP addressed on Twitter. Such exemplary behaviour amongst trans allies.

Legally women as a legal fiction. Not really female.

Legally female as in they would be legally female in a court of law. So yes that is really female (although not chromosomally, as I have agreed before).

Not really what we were discussing though.

So? It's entirely relevant to this thread. And if they let people self ID as non binary, that makes a nonsense of your statement. David is genderfluid. So is Pips Bunce and the police person. Show me where it says that when they are identified as women they aren't to be treated as women? Because it goes against a lot of what I've heard and read.