Is this really a feminist board?

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I am a crap feminist. I haven't read a single book on the subject. Not De Beauvoir, not Greer, not Butler. The reasons for that are to do with a disability that I'd rather not go into, but I am a woman with a brain, and the Republic of Ireland is having a referendum on repealing the 8th this week. There it is, look, thirty threads down. And this "Feminism and Women's Rights" board's primary concern seems to be "What it will really take the peak trans the world?"

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

Some men love to trash women and their spaces plus defend men who do the same. These men are those same ones as depicted in Red Riding Hood by the Wolf. Said Wolf tries to act like Granny, but there's something quite "off" about the Wolf and their appearance and mannerisms. RRH picks up on the dissonance and by questioning the Wolf unsettles him so he reveals his true colours.

For those with more patience than me:

Snow Job

A snow job is a particularly common tactic designed to confuse and distract you. It happens when the other party reveals a lot of information, overwhelming you with facts and figures. When you’re on the receiving end of a snow job, your biggest challenge is to determine what is truly important and what is simply there to distract you. It often features very technical language and requires expertise in a subject area in order to translate what is being said.

Fighting this tactic requires you to be firm on your negotiation stance. You need to get to the real issues, so ask specifically and consistently what is important in the pile of information thrown at you. Do not back down!

These men are those same ones as depicted in Red Riding Hood by the Wolf. Said Wolf tries to act like Granny, but there's something quite "off" about the Wolf and their appearance and mannerisms. RRH picks up on the dissonance and by questioning the Wolf unsettles him so he reveals his true colours.

True. Of course, a lot of fairytales are long known to be cautionary tales for women.

Thanks guys, there were 2 pm's. 1st"that was a really crappy thing for me to do. Don't be angry forever." 2nd"I don't mind you asking. About a month, when we met I was wearing more Goth make up than she was. I'm sorry your relationship didn't work out, you were offered something you hadn't signed up for. His loss". Why Mad couldn't say this on the thread, I don't know? All a bit weird! That'll teach me to ask questions, in future ignore I think. (hope I don't get into trouble for revealing pm's, never done it before, but you know, under the circumstances)

I'm not going to block because I sometimes have private messaging on other threads, about my ds (adult, autistic) medical issues. Plus I refuse to let it affect me! Defiant!

You can report PMs and ask MNHQ to block a specific poster. I don't think they actually have to be breaking talk guidelines, just being unwelcome. Maybe he was just trying to answer your question without derailing the thread further (people do sometimes take hints).

Note- didn't Mad say he'd been married for 30 years on thread? Yet in pm, says they were wearing goth makeup when they met.
But goth era was about 10, 15 years ago. Hmmmm.

Thanks Errol, I'll do that.

But goth era was about 10, 15 years ago

No goths have been around since the 80s. Very early 80s.

I've seen two other women on here say on the board that poster has sent them unwanted PMs.

" TERFragetteCity Thu 24-May-18 08:11:43

But goth era was about 10, 15 years ago

No goths have been around since the 80s. Very early 80s."

Goths don't go away, silly, they just learn to blend, (and breed!)

[ghostdances off on holiday for a couple weeks]

Dominion!

damn a reference to the threats allegedly made to that survey by mumsnet please. How was a campaign organised? Or do you mean that women were made aware of the consultationand asked if they’d like to contribute their opinions - which is the entire point of a consultation

MN poster: -there’s a consultation going on here - if you’d like to make you views known please use this as your chance to be heard.
TRA - TRANSPHOBE!
MN Poster - this is a consultation, it’s asking for people’s opinions. You can fill out the form with your opinion and I’ll fill it out with mine. That’s how it works.
TRA - NO YOU CANT SAY ANYTHING THAT I DONT AGREE WITH! TRANSPHOBE!

Is that what you mean by a campaign to derail? Women responding to a consultation? Because if you think that’s violence, you need to give your head a wobble. It’s called the democratic process. Politicians ask ‘what do you think of this?’ And people answer.

I’m so glad you clarified that the blog of a sixty year old woman (again, words? On a blog?) is justification for her being punched and attacked. Bloggers do take such risks with their sharp pointy words don’t they, and their expression of opinions as is their right in a free society. But of course if they don’t agree with you, or validate you, you’re saying that's justification to hurt that person?
I’m reminded of the spate of machete attacks/killings of atheist bloggers in Bangladesh. Were they asking for it as well?

I’m also glad you clarified because for a second I thought you were talking about my posts on this board. My opinion. And that would of course be a direct threat to me, which wouldn’t be terribly nice.

The combination of boundary pushing behavior and complete lack of acknowledgement that one has been called out on it is pretty damn offputting, I have to say. At what point do we collectively get to say, nope, you've crossed the line too many times, get lost, without HQ giving us a telling off?

On the goth thing though, goths have been around for a lot longer than 15 years - it was already a scene long in the tooth (get it?) when I was going to goth clubs over 20 years ago.

(On behalf of my fellow goths I apologize for this one's behavior. We're usually better socialized than MadBad, as a group.)

Trying to be brave and come back on as i know i fucked up yesterday

So sorry again...

And yes excellent post bowl

Rufus old deer- well, if you fucked up I did too. But I've found FWR to be very forgiving of FUs so long as people realise, apologise, and try to learn.

Thank you errol

Behold, female socialization! Woman apologizes when there's no need to. Male who really ought to apologize continues to be as obnoxious as ever.

I don't know what you did, Rufus, cos I was busy being pissed off at certain other people, but whatever it was - onwards and upwards!

We all fuck up rufus

As long as there’s acknowledgment then there are never hard feelings, I know I’ve had the wrong end of the stick a few times as well.

Thank you all

I will just sit here quietly for bit

(Until cakes or kittens come up and then im back in the game)

Rufus if you don't FU on here once in a while you're not human.

Thank you spontaneous

We loves you, Rufus!

(No kittens but I have a full grown cat whinging for wet food if that helps.)

Thank you angry