Is this really a feminist board?

[GaspingShark]

I am a crap feminist. I haven't read a single book on the subject. Not De Beauvoir, not Greer, not Butler. The reasons for that are to do with a disability that I'd rather not go into, but I am a woman with a brain, and the Republic of Ireland is having a referendum on repealing the 8th this week. There it is, look, thirty threads down. And this "Feminism and Women's Rights" board's primary concern seems to be "What it will really take the peak trans the world?"

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

Believe me: we've all seen and read Blanchard's theory of autogynephilia and we know why it is (rightly) ignored by all but a tiny number of his acolytes

You only have to dip your toe onto twitter to see AGP's left right and centre. I don't believe for a moment that people with gender dysphoria are AGP's but they do exist and they are scaring the crap out of women (and enjoying it)

Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, Tumblr.

The trial was a ridiculous virtue signalling exercise in pandering. Nonetheless the 6 foot 2 male thug got a criminal record, because there was no avoiding who the guilty party was.

Just as when that same male thug allegedly threatened a woman on her own picket line, on video. Sadly no court case though.

Mclachlan wasn’t on trial. Wolf was on trial for punching mclachlan. You sound like you think she was the aggressor.

There is no ‘but’ here. What level of provocation justifies physical assault then?

The language you use to describe this incident is disturbing- it implies you sympathise with a six foot plus male who punched a sixty year old woman to the floor.

Do you?

Posting offensive comments about them works, too.

Is that a threat?

SardineReturns
For the hard of thinking, Please, tell us again, how women have no idea how that feels.
I can't tell you again because I didn't say that in the first place.
My reply contrasted inadvertent delays in diagnosis with deliberate refusal to refer for treatment.

I'm not engaging with someone who thinks that there's a "yes, but" when a tall young male person thumps a small elderly female person. Everyone has their lines in the sand and trying to handwave away or justify violence is one of min.

Posting offensive comments about them works, too.

Works as what? A provocation for a punch in the face?

That is how abusers talk.

and b. That being verbally ‘wound up’ is any kind of justification for physical assault?
No. But it's one way to provoke someone. Kicking their friend is another. Posting offensive comments about them works, too.

TW wanted to fuck up some TERF's that night I believe - they posted that before the event. Weird how they planned it but it was still provocation...such a mindreader! They should be on the stage with powers like that.

Bowlofbabelfish
There was a campaign on Mumsnet not long ago, aimed at disrupting government research because its advocates were worriedtyhat havingaccurate data might prompt the government to do something to make trans lives a little better.
Reference?
www.gov.uk/government/consultations/national-lgbt-survey

And where has anyone said they want all the legal protections transitioning /transitioned people have removed?
I’ve never seen that.
Again reference please.
Too many to list. Dozens in this thread alone advocating discrimination against trans people, or complaining that trans people are not being discriminated against.

Well, I think you've answered my question at last Damn. You're here to advise everyone.

Bowlofbabelfish
Posting offensive comments about them works, too.
Is that a threat?
No. It's a comment about someone who runs two websites pushing transphobic propaganda (Why two? isn't one enough?) but who pretends to be an innocent little old lady who just happened to be passing and thought it would be "funny" to take some photos "just to show her husband"

Discriminated against = not being welcome in changing rooms with women? That's not discrimination - that's protecting the rights of women and girls.

80% of transwomen do not have bottom surgery - AKA have penises. I'm told I can't tell the difference. Therefore, I want changing spaces/hospital wards etc to be on the basis of born biological sex - not gender identity. For the safety and dignity of women and girls.

Blame your AGP mates.

rosylea
Well, I think you've answered my question at last Damn. You're here to advise everyone
I was asked a question, so I answered it.
If I had ignored it, I'm sure I would have been accused of "flouncing off".
ButI'm going do that now, anyway, 'cos I've got other things that I need do.
'Bye.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I hate to be personal, but I guess I'm just better at relationships than you were. I'm very good at relationships, happily married now for over 25 years. First marriage was a sham though. Ex was dressing in womens clothing behind my back and hitting me when his own frustration got too much. Oh hang on, he also said I was bad at keeping the relationship going when I finally escaped. Funny that! And I never did see him in the dresses, bet he looked right cute.

It's a rather sad irony that those who are early in their transition (and therefore least likely to "pass") are also the ones who are most easily hurt by misgendering. Early transition is an incredibly stressful time, and being called "Sir" a few times really adds to the stress levels. So why do people do it? Why would anyone deliberately hurt a total stranger just because they can?

To give you the other side of that, I have ptsd. It's triggered by amongst other things certain elements of anatomy. Adam's apples in particular. I survive day to day life by avoiding looking at the area between the chin and collar of anyone who presents as male. When it is triggered however it's very much a fight or flight reaction. It's not my rational brain in gear, it's self preservation and instinct. Dh has suffered quite a lot especially when he's tried to wake me/comfort me after a nightmare because my gut instinct is to fight and I'm 5'8 and relatively strong.

People who are less likely to pass in spaces I've always considered safe are dangerous to me, not intentionally I'm sure but simply by being there.

So "Why would anyone deliberately hurt a total stranger just because they can?"

Do trans women's rights trump those of women like me who have ptsd relating to anatomy which some trans women share with our rapists? Should they? Is it something we can at least discuss without being shouted down or called transphobic?

The obvious answer is treatment right? But this is the NHS...the psychiatrist who diagnosed me with PTSD told me that "women like me" get better on our own. That I was resilient and that maybe whilst things were so raw, dh should sleep somewhere else to be safe. I wonder how many men he said that to? My guess would be zero.

I don't know what the answer is. I believe people should be allowed to live their lives without impeding on others but I honestly don't know how self id and the needs of some women to have spaces safe from certain elements of anatomy is ever going to match up.

Weird how they planned it but it was still provocation...such a mindreader! They should be on the stage with powers like that.

Also weird how the provocative "offensive comments" by the victim to the perpetrator were posted after the assault. So Wolf obviously has a time machine to go and get offended then go back and punch Maria. Except Wolf would have had to punch her, so she made offensive comments, go forwards in time to be offended and then go back and punch her again out of "provocation". Impressive

Mad, how far into your relationship before you told her you felt like a woman? (If you don't mind me asking)

Impressive

Isn't it just.

This is absolutely fucking outrageous. WTF is going on? At what point did full on MRA posting become ok?

Not just that, but comments telling off the MRAs being deleted. I'm sure Kate will be along soon to scold us for being insufficiently welcoming.