Is this really a feminist board?

[GaspingShark]

I am a crap feminist. I haven't read a single book on the subject. Not De Beauvoir, not Greer, not Butler. The reasons for that are to do with a disability that I'd rather not go into, but I am a woman with a brain, and the Republic of Ireland is having a referendum on repealing the 8th this week. There it is, look, thirty threads down. And this "Feminism and Women's Rights" board's primary concern seems to be "What it will really take the peak trans the world?"

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

And there you have it the classic MRA Victim Blaming Trope:

^"She made me do it, if she hadn't done/said/looked/been there.."

Indeed it would have been better for all concerned if it had never happened but the blame for it lies squarely on the shoulders of those who tried to prevent the lawful meeting of women (and ironically trans women) and rallied the 'hothead' troops with cries on SM of 'punching/killing TERFS'.

"Or was it planned as a propaganda stunt: "Let's wind up some young hotheads until one of them snaps — making sure we've got it on video, ready to splash across every medium we can get it into"?

Blaming a woman for a man's inability to desist from assaulting her?

I see

LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!

A familiar refrain

And Mad, did you notice my reaction after the thread. Felt uncomfortable so needed to laugh with Rufus to lighten it. You'll never be able to think like a woman.

You still haven't answered my question, why are you here?

4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.

Just catching up and read this in response to a woman talking about how the medical profession has a long history of ignoring, minimising, disregarding "women's issues" - the poster said:

"And I know this is a bit whatabouty, and two wrongs don’t make a right, so forgive me for that, but it’s always striking me when treatment access is demanded...... massive wait times for female complaints are so common it’d be a joke (if it wasnt a tragedy.) 8 years I think on average to be even diagnosed with endometriosis."

And the reply was:

"That is due to GPs failing to recognise the symptoms.
Not quite the same issue as GPs refusing refer because of their "religious"principles (i.e. illegal discrimination). And definitely not the same issue as people actively campaigning for people to be denied access to the possibility of diagnosis — a particular problem in the case of young transpeople."

On a thread supposedly about how feminists on here are not talking enough about repeal the 8th!!! I don't know whether to laugh of cry. Is this answer trolling, due to a total lack of understanding / ability to understand "women's issues" / or something else?

How mind-bendingly crass! I think it must be a joke?

Anyway, will continue to catch up.

Oh I believe that alright Mad. But how many years into the marriage did you reveal the "real" you? 10, 20 years?

For the hard of thinking, the reason that women can't have abortions in Ireland is becasue of religion. The reason Savita Halappanavar died is becasue she was denied life saving medical treatment, because of religion. The reason that women all over the world suffer and die because of lack of access to aboriton, and in some countries are imprisoned when they miscarry, is due to religion. The reason that children are forced to carry pregnancies that are the result of rape to term, often suffering severe damage and even death as their bodies are not ready to bear children, is because of religion.

Please, tell us again, how women have no idea how that feels.

I was with my daughter as she was giving statements to the police about the man who hit her. She was telling them all the things he had said to her - and the officer said “Ah yes, the old “I didn’t do it and I was provoked” line”

Bertrand, sorry that your daughter went through that, just awful. Did she get justice?

Sardine - absolutely. Religion at its patriarchal finest.

Whatever they vote this time , like the scots referendum the same issue will come up again in The IR

I am a lesbian feminist and have been marching against FGM clause 28 and various other issues all my life

when the headline news story is about a 13 year old girl being raped and forced to marry against her wishes in Pakistan

lest we forget the poor woman who came over to England for a termination and died , it should be up to each individual woman to come to her own conclusion , and live with the consequences after

Whatever they vote this time , like the scots referendum the same issue will come up again in The IR

If the Irish people vote No I am not at all confident the chance of another referendum will come along any time soon. The Scottish referendum was supposed to be once in a lifetime- but they kept quiet about it being the lifetime of drosophila melanogaster.

I think it would be more difficult to have a rerun of this referendum.

Yambabe
Hi Damn. Hope you don't mind me addressing this particular point? Not at all. Happy to discuss with anyone who doesn't start off with the assumption that I am mad or bad.
I may be slightly against the tide here although I've seen others agree with me, but personally I would like you and those who follow you to have all these things. I would like you to be free from discrimination and hate but I believe that anything like that that you experience will be likely to come from men, not women.

"Slightly against the tide"?? More like trying to swim up the Niagara Falls!! But in general, I'd say you're right. The hatred that I experience on Mumsnet is not matched by anything I have come across in the real world. I may have been amazingly lucky, have only come across two instances of overt transphobia from women in ordinary life.

One of those was just slagging off trans people in general, and I found out later that she had no idea that she was "discussing the issues" with a TS! I guess the fact that I wasn't wearing my frilly party frock, six inch stilettos and wonky wig must have confused her! (PS I haven't actually got any of those things .... !)

I'll happily stand alongside you for access to your own safe spaces.
This is one area where you and I disagree. My reasons for disagreeing are purely pragmatic: for one thing, I cannot imagine local authorities or shops spending resources on toilets and changing rooms for

thebewilderness
Page 3 contains the definition of who the trans umbrellas covers.
Correction:
Page 3 contains a definition of who the trans umbrella covers from one particular organisation.

TERFragetteCity
Nothing to see here, just some good old fashioned policing of women's thoughts and actions...
Is that all your own work, or did you get a friend to post it so that you could get a screenshot?

TERFragetteCity
Nothing to see here, just some good old fashioned policing of women's thoughts and actions...
Is that all your own work, or did you get a friend to post it so that you could get a screenshot?

I did say on another thread that the first response would be to accuse TERFs of retrospectively making it up. Lol. So predictable. BINGO!

Bowlofbabelfish
No. They are NOT defined as not the other.

cis-
PREFIX
1 On this side of; on the side nearer to the speaker.
‘cisatlantic’
1.1historical On the side nearer to Rome.
‘cisalpine’
1.2 (of time) closer to the present.
‘cis-Elizabethan’
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cis-

trans-
PREFIX
1Across; beyond.
‘transcontinental’
‘transgress’
1.1 On or to the other side of.
‘transatlantic’
Often contrasted with cis- (sense 1)
‘transalpine’
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/trans-

I reckon MNHQ should put a character limit on posts...

I see no reference to the genetic usage of cis and trans in that definition. Nor do I see them being defined AS the opposite of each other. That definition contrasts, it does not define in opposition and it has no reference to human gender identity, genetics or stereochemistry.

If you’d like to give me a definition of a genetic cis element that implies it’s defined in opposition to a trans one as its sole quality I’m all ears, likewise errol will doubtless be pleased to hear exciting new definitions of her professional field of expertise.

There was a campaign on Mumsnet not long ago, aimed at disrupting government research because its advocates were worriedtyhat havingaccurate data might prompt the government to do something to make trans lives a little better.

Reference?

And where has anyone said they want all the legal protections transitioning /transitioned people have removed?
I’ve never seen that.

Again reference please.

I reckon MNHQ should put a character limit on posts...

No kidding. My poor abused scroll button...

Hope your DD is OK now and well away from the bastard, Bertrand.