Is this really a feminist board?

[GaspingShark]

I am a crap feminist. I haven't read a single book on the subject. Not De Beauvoir, not Greer, not Butler. The reasons for that are to do with a disability that I'd rather not go into, but I am a woman with a brain, and the Republic of Ireland is having a referendum on repealing the 8th this week. There it is, look, thirty threads down. And this "Feminism and Women's Rights" board's primary concern seems to be "What it will really take the peak trans the world?"

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

MadBad - they were mothers pushing those prams - biological females, with babies, talking about motherhood.

Told not to, because we know transwomen can't conceive. And called "non-men".

This is very much what I assume angryresister was talking about when she said "our very existence and identity as women is threatened" - just one example.

"This is very much what I assume angryresister was talking about when she said "our very existence and identity as women is threatened" - just one example."

I wasn't challenging that in any way (honest) I was bringing up an earlier post about 'unchallenged ignorance' towards Trans-people.

I'm a parent, so I don't need to be female to be sickened by that clip. What a pathetic, selfish pile of shit that person is.

That person who tweeted that wants to shut down Mumsnet - they've been on the MN timeline.

Told not to, because we know transwomen can't conceive. And called "non-men".

And they were probably just chatting, wrapped up in the conversation and hadn’t even seen the transwoman. And they the transwoman not only assumed that two perfect strangers were talking ‘at’ them but also directing deliberately abusive behaviour at them.

When people start something like CBT one of the early question types is along the lines of ‘you see someone you know walking along and they don’t wave back at you. How do you feel?’

The healthy answer is ‘well I assume they didn’t see me/were wrapped up in thought/or did that walking past them realising ‘oh shit that was thingy from the gym I should have waved.’

The answer that gets noted as an unhealthy though is that they ignored you deliberately/they’re stuck up/blah blah.

The sheer self absorption of someone who can take two women who probably didn’t even notice they were there having a chat while pushing prams, and turn it into a part of their persecution narrative andvthen call on them to modify their behaviour is mind boggling.

Sorry, should have added "What a pathetic, selfish pile of shit that person is, and then went and cried to the world on Twitter."

I have no problem with anyone being a pathetic, selfish pile of shit in the privacy of their own homes.

I’m not a stereochemist so I won’t risk getting the definition wrong but if anyone is and would like to step in there please do.

Of course MN has chemists...

In chemistry, cis and trans refer to pairs of compounds which have all the same functional groups, but arranged differently. This can give rise to significantly different properties. I can't see any analogy at all with the 'trans' which arose from 'transsexual' . Surely that was derived similarly to transplant, transfer - 'trans' signifying a change from one state or place to another. Of course, there is no such thing as 'cisplant' or 'cisfer'.

'Cis woman' is a deceptively sciencey-sounding false back-derivation.

@ErrolTheDragon - This is why I prefer questions to answers.

You must have a brain like an elastic band to even get that much sense out of the issue.

No, just a couple of chemistry degrees and a liking for accurate use of words, and sometimes an interest in their derivation.('stagnant' is a pretty foul one, BTW!)

Words are not my friends, but I like playing with them. 'stagnant' was blunt, but playful. I've had worse....

I'm much better at communicating with pictures.

I don't think calling women who believe in biology 'stagnant' is particularly playful. But then again who are we to even have an opinion?

The sheer self absorption of someone who can take two women who probably didn’t even notice they were there having a chat while pushing prams, and turn it into a part of their persecution narrative andvthen call on them to modify their behaviour is mind boggling.

As is barging into a feminist community, hurling insults at all the members, making unfounded and offensive remarks about alt-right politics, displaying endless entitlement - and then perceiving any response that isn't hair shirt fawning as a personal attack.

But hey ho - it's not as though we don't have decades of knowledge about the utter predictability of male pattern abusive behaviour, is it?

"But then again who are we to even have an opinion?" How can you even type that with a straight face? - You are The Mumsnet Feminists, that's who you are, and I am everyone's blank canvas. My views are purely personal, and therefore, irrelevant in even more ways than usual. [italian trout-face shrug gesture]

Thank you errol I knew we’d have someone somewhere

Stagnant as a descriptor of biology? snort.

We literally have more data than we can handle right now - bring us our quantum computers so we can make the leaps we want.

(This is where a brilliant feminist quantum computing expert steps from the shadows and I fall in love with mumsnet all over again...)

I'm much better at communicating with pictures.

Maybe give it a go? There was a great 'guess the film from emojis' recently, maybe you could start a fun thread like that, could do with some jollity. Extra points if you use MN specials like , or . (The last is the pub sign from The Archers, but could double as meaning 'bull')

Sharpen the crayons first ;)

I am paid to play with "Wicked Problems" and prefer a pencil, but i respect your choice of media.

How about 'Gender Plastic" vs "Gender Elastic?"

How about 'Gender Plastic" vs "Gender Elastic?"

How about stop trying to police people? Seriously sick of this fucking shit.

That's the thing with words: you know what you mean when you type them, but I think you're deranged when i read them.

'Police'? WTaF?

And this, Ladles and Jellyspoons, is what we're all here for - intolerance of the person, rather than the opinion.

What you spell P-O-L-I-C-E, I spell E-N-G-A-G-E.

Seriously sick of this fucking shit.

It's just an attempt to graffiti the board so badly that it can no longer be used. Best to ignore and get the conversation back to where it was if at all possible.

scotsheather
Until recently my understanding was of people 'in the wrong body' who get as close to that body as possible and get on with life.
Almost spot on!
The only minor tweak I'd 'suggest to that is that maybe "necessary" would be a little better than "possible".
With that little tweak, I've never met any trans people who want anything else.

I bet if I called this place an echo chamber right now I'd regret it.

Remember the other posters I was conversing with? Are they 'shits'?