Is this really a feminist board?

[GaspingShark]

I am a crap feminist. I haven't read a single book on the subject. Not De Beauvoir, not Greer, not Butler. The reasons for that are to do with a disability that I'd rather not go into, but I am a woman with a brain, and the Republic of Ireland is having a referendum on repealing the 8th this week. There it is, look, thirty threads down. And this "Feminism and Women's Rights" board's primary concern seems to be "What it will really take the peak trans the world?"

So I'm asking you, because I genuinely, honestly, cross my heart and hope to die, believe you are all better read and/or have more experience and/or more knowledge of being a woman than I do.

Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that, four days away from the repeal vote, there's one thread on that in the bottom third of a fifty-thread page, and two or three dozen trans-related threads covering everything from Amnesty International to Jordan Peterson to exactly what Munroe Bergdorf told Venice Allan? Does it give you any pause for thought?

Just women and transwomen will do. Or as I would say, women and trans identified males.

ToeToToe, how does that work then? Don't get it.

Me neither, Rosylea.

No, I meant what I wrote.

Yes, and so did I. DARVO. We see you.

@Angryresister Wed 23-May-18 11:59:21"The Trans stuff is the extreme end of misogyny and our very existence and identity as women is threatened"

I don't agree or disagree, but:

I complained of unchallenged 'ignorance' towards Trans-people-as-people and so here is a golden opportunity to prove me wrong.

What is this 'Trans-stuff' you refer to? The Issues? Current affairs? "All of it" (including me)?

Does everyone who reads such a (admittedly succinct) statement just 'knows what you mean' or understand that "Trans Stuff" excludes Trans people, (b/c that would be hateful).

I took it personally, at first glance, that "trans existence=misogyny".

"Just women and transwomen will do. Or as I would say, women and trans identified males."

Can I refer to you as 'gender stagnant' if I need to make a distinction? :)

Nothing to see here, just some good old fashioned policing of women's thoughts and actions...

An excellent example, TERFragetteCity, and answers both Rosylea & MadBad's questions in one.

Women talking = violence. So just stop doing it ladies.

@ ToeToToe "An excellent example.....answers both Rosylea & MadBad's questions in one."

I don't get it.

I don't get it.

What don't you get exactly?

Can I refer to you as 'gender stagnant' if I need to make a distinction? :)

If you want to call me a gender stagnant woman for your own inscrutable reasons be my guest! Woman alone will suffice though to differentiate between me and male people.

I guess for that poor soul, the very existence of sites such as MumsNet or NetMums must constitute 'violence'.

Bowlofbabelfish
I hope they catch whoever did it and your friend makes a full recovery. But I have to ask... Was the perpetrator of this crime a woman, or a man? It’s very hard for a woman to beat a man unconscious.
They won't, because although it happened in full view of lots of people, no-one saw anything! But she has fully recovered, apart from some broken teeth, thank you.
The perpetrators were a mixed group, and they weren't attacking a man they were attacking a 50-something post-op transwoman her "male" muscle mass and testosterone aggression are both long gone.

They can't stop shaking as soon as they heard that women have babies.

And they say it isn't a mental health condition. How do they even get through the day? How do they talk to their own mother? What if they have a sister? Oh my we should all just flail ourselves against the rocks to avoid upsetting them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

3,4,6,9 and 12, I reckon, plus the one I want to add 'women have all the rights they need: the right to remain silent'.

@TERFragetteCity

"...answers both Rosylea & MadBad's questions in one."
"I don't get it"
"What don't you get exactly?"

The question I thought I was asking doesn't seem relatable to the horror story you posted. (If they were Dads, or it was me pushing the trusty old Phil&TED [memories of simpler times] they'd never have been so shitty.)

"Cis-" is a prefix, used in many fields other than chemistry. It is not offensive. "Trans" means "not cis", just as "cis" means "not trans" — perfectly symmetrical, and not offensive.

No. They are NOT defined as not the other. There is a very specific locational and functional meaning to both cis and trans. When a geneticist talks about a promoter or control element ‘acting in trans’ it does not mean ‘not cis.’ It has a meaning to do with the proximity of the control element to the gene it acts on.

I’m not a stereochemist so I won’t risk getting the definition wrong but if anyone is and would like to step in there please do.

One is not defined as the absence or opposite or mirror of the other. That’s not what it means. To use cis for a woman is like calling a black person non-white. It says ‘white/Male is default and everything else is lumped together in one big, my-god-it’s-not-a-white-male’ Group.

Anyway: how come you get to say some language is offensive and I don’t? If we are all into the extreme validation of anything we want and if anything you don’t like is literal violence, then frankly I’m going to be pedantic and say that I find cis offensive. You find whatever words, deeds, actions, women talking about shit offensive? Well I find cis offensive. Grossly so. So now you can’t say it, saying it might cause me to have an epic meltdown on Twitter, call you a bigot and possibly top myself.

Or would that be a teeny tiny little bit over the top of me? Are you into the extreme Identity politics stuff so that you are more of a victim and thus only you can be offended?

Oh FFS sake I really read clip that wrong didn't I? I need new glasses.

Oh god...I give up. We are all like that and I'm going home.

They won't, because although it happened in full view of lots of people, no-one saw anything! But she has fully recovered, apart from some broken teeth, thank you.
The perpetrators were a mixed group, and they weren't attacking a man they were attacking a 50-something post-op transwoman her "male" muscle mass and testosterone aggression are both long gone.

If they were attacking a woman, it is no surprise that nobody saw anything and there will be no stats recoding crimes against trans people so it will all be lumped in with the other crimes against women. that's what is wanted isn't it? Or is it only ok when it is crimes against women?

We can't record crimes committed by trans people as crimes in the gender of choosing, whilst simultaneously recording crimes against trans people as against trans people. That is the problem with conflating the two groups - they are not the same and unless we accurately record it we can't report against it.

By going down the trans women are women route, you risk there never being reports of trans anything. Because it doesn't exist. See the dilemma?

The question I thought I was asking doesn't seem relatable to the horror story you posted. (If they were Dads, or it was me pushing the trusty old Phil&TED [memories of simpler times] they'd never have been so shitty.)

First you might want to clarify what the question was, you have a weird way of writing words that do not actually make any sense.

AngryAttackKittens
Duluth wheel behaviour does not a woman make.
You mean like "putting her down" "calling her name's" "making her think she's crazy" "humiliating her', "making her feel guilty"
""making light of the abuse" "saying the abuse did not happen" ?
Sounds like a pretty accurate description of typical anti-trans behaviour -- plenty of examples on this forum.

At this point I think the options are...
Or C: it's the only way a single target can respond to a mob pile-on.

The answer, in this case, is C.

You mean like "putting her down" "calling her name's" "making her think she's crazy" "humiliating her', "making her feel guilty"
""making light of the abuse" "saying the abuse did not happen" ?

TERF
CIS
Don't talk about being a mother
This never happens, there will be no difference, just an administrative change
Yada Yada...

Damnthatonestakentryanother2 As this is a women's feminism board it's going to be many/most women sharing the same view. If one or two of us went to a trans site our views would be as popular as yours are here. If you don't want to be part of robust debate and questioned on your views another site might be preferable? Your choice of course but pointless squealing when women do challenge you.