Someone leaked the actual interview between Venice and Munroe

[therealposieparker]

TRA need to make their minds up, either we're 60 terfs in an echo chamber that no-one else agrees with, or we are a large number of people that need to be threatened to stop people listening to us and taking our concerns seriously.

These threats don't seem to come from people who think we are a small, irrelevant minority.

The person or people who obtained the data could also face penalties under data protection law.

That Emma person, whoever she was, pulled her horns in pretty quickly when she realised that she could be in a legal pickle. I still think she should have been reported to the police, that MN were wrong to accept her assurances.

Very large fine and possible prison sentence comes with data protection laws being broken. Especially with the new GDPR. Announcing on Twitter that you are you are potentially involved with something like this isn't the smartest thing to do. It means we know who to direct the police to with the complaints.

Agree juells @MNHQ are you aware of the threat upthread? It’s possible your intern, or someone else, is going to release more information. You might want to reassess her assertion that she destroyed it all.

I thought blabber mouth intern was reported to the police?

Beyond that, they need to stop trying to engage or compromise. TRAs don’t want to compromise, they want MNs head on a plate. You don’t win with abusers who want to destroy you. You put a legal boundary down and you leave it there, and you disengage.

I know people keep saying this but all the people running and modding Mumsnet really really need to get some training in how to deal with people who threaten and abuse, especially when those threats come from outside the forums e.g..on twitter.

They don't threaten men because they know they won't get away with it. They try to threaten us because they think we're weak. Allowing people report on MN's twitter account about 'transphobic comments' is appeasing, and just invites more attention from them because they're being successful.

So is it completely unacceptable now to discuss the ethics of children and young people having healthy body parts amputated? Or do we just need to avoid referring to specific cases?

It's specific cases. MNHQ said, and fwiw I agree, that while a child's parents may think it is appropriate to splash details of their child's genitals and surgeries all over the internet / tabloids it was not something that MNHQ agrees with and they won't allow it on the site.

So discussion of ethics = fine, discussion of what was done to an individual child / discussion of individual child = not fine.

Hands up who thought that it was naive to take the assurances that the only data taken from MNHQ by Ms Intern was a couple of screen shots from the admin system? I hate to say I told you so, but...

Hi all,

This is just to briefly say that we've seen this and we will pass this upwards. We'll make sure this is seen and dealt with - we're absolutely not ignoring you. If anyone has any concerns at all, please do report to us or mail in at [email protected]

OlennasWimple yep I think it was the intern where ariels threat first surfaced. I will sue the arse off the intern and Ariel if anything is leaked. I also want to know what measures MN took in relation to the intern and the initial data breach. It seems to have been largely based on trust

Well done Venice

Worth putting the threat in a thread of its own/AIBU?

Quite a peaky trans little threat that one...

TRA need to make their minds up, either we're 60 terfs in an echo chamber that no-one else agrees with, or we are a large number of people that need to be threatened to stop people listening to us and taking our concerns seriously.

These threats don't seem to come from people who think we are a small, irrelevant minority.

I don’t get why they keep advertising MN all over Twitter. It has be driving more traffic over here, and not just the TRA pile-ons and sealions. Seems like an own goal if you want to shut the debate down. Indifference would probably be more effective.

I don’t get why they keep advertising MN all over Twitter.

There’s a degree of self absorption and self righteousness that doesn’t see that. Some people can be so narcissistic and so convinced the world revolves around them that they genuinely believe that everyone who opposes them is wrong. Such a person would not be able to understand that if they direct someone here that person may not agree with them and may actually agree with a more GC view. Or maybe just look around and find a board they like and become part of MN.
If you look at some of the threats against MN you see this. One yesterday telling people very seriously they had a meeting with anti terrorism (at 15:00 no less, it’s so important it’s time stamped.) they genuinely believe that they are centred in everything and that Mi5 are going to swoop down and arrest us all.

There’s a whole thesis to be written on such delusional thinking.

There’s a degree of self absorption and self righteousness that doesn’t see that. Some people can be so narcissistic and so convinced the world revolves around them that they genuinely believe that everyone who opposes them is wrong. Such a person would not be able to understand that if they direct someone here that person may not agree with them and may actually agree with a more GC view.

Time and again they fail to grasp this. "Own goal" isn't really strong enough to describe what they do.

I hope if it was somebody from C4 that released the soundtrack they are not uncovered. Well done them and Venice. Presumably it was released to show the extent of the editing in berghofs opinion piece.

As an aside, wouldn't it be ironic if despite the trans lobbies attempts to have a radfem prosecuted for hate speech/crime it is actually one of them prosecuted, given some of the vile shit posted on twitter

I suspect from the sound quality it was a dictaphone on someone's handbag.

Borgdorf's usual style, being rude, arrogant, selfish, bossy etc, makes me feel for any lowly film crew assigned to work with (ie for..) Borgdorf..

@JollyGrandma everything you say is true. Let's see how long your post stays up.

That's all well and good @Jollygrandma but do you really have to stick Miranda's name in with that pair? If I was new to all this I'd now be thinking MY was an enemy to feminists when Miranda's actually a fantastic ally.

I doubt your post will last long.

Are we not actually allowed to say transwomen are men? Isn't it just if it's about individuals and their hurt feelz? They can't prevent scientific facts from being spoken.

I don't think, @Tufulike, that my insisting that MY is a man is an attack on him. I'm simply pointing out the obvious, in my opinion. HE refers to himself as a gay transexual, with breasts. Well, which is he? Is he gay or is he someone who needs to have breasts on somehow be the centre of attention at panel discussions? I don't accept that there is biologically such a thing as a transexual or a transwoman or transman. Beyond the small, minuscule number of humans that are born intersex, we are born one sex or the other.

When MY stops attempting to become the center focus of a feminist movement to protect ourselves, I'll suspect that he'll still have a soapbox onto which he can place himself. In the meantime, the voices of young and middle-aged and old women feminists will become centre stage, as they should be.