Someone leaked the actual interview between Venice and Munroe

[therealposieparker]

Talking about a child's genitals is distasteful; cutting off a child's genitals is heroic

This. Nothing else but this.

Sorry, MB doesn't sound like any woman that I've ever met

Pretty sure SG's child is now an adult..

It is obedience training. Control the words people can speak and you control the thoughts people can think.

Absolutely.

Are all the deletions on this thread because of the new "don't talk about children's genitals" policy? How is it possible to talk about children being transgender if we aren't allowed to state whether they are boys or girls or refer to their physical sex in any way? Or are we now to pretend that no children are having any treatment which affects them physically in any way?

This policy will also make threads about FGM or circumcision a bit odd - "some parents did something to their child, but we can't say what they did or we'll be deleted"

If it's against the rules to mention this particular child and what happened to them, then it becomes against the rules to question the child's mother's actions, which makes talking about a particular charity/so-called support organisation a bit difficult.

Threads based on wanting to question the actions of a certain person are going to be a tad confusing if no-one is allowed to mention what she did that was so questionable

There's a technique people use to stop you being able to think, but I cant remember what its called.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3973036/Jackie-Green-heart-controversy-children-young-nine-given-drugs-change-sex.html

Susie Green's child Jackie Green is 24-25, and both mother and child have openly spoken about the surgery SG took JG to have on their 16th birthday in Thailand. This article is just one example. So:

Jackie Green is not a child.
Susie Green currently promotes and campaigns for other children to have these kinds of treatment in this country. She even says medical treatment is "vital" for gender non-conforming children.
Susie Green regularly talks to the media (among others) about how she organised for Jackie to have this operation.

Let's be honest, the problem is not that we are talking about what she did - it's that we are being critical about it. If we were saying what a great mum she is and how brilliant it is that she is winning LGBT awards, and what a pioneer she is having taken her child abroad for this non-medically necessary surgery, noone would be stopping us from talkimg about it. I can't think of any other parents, in the UK at least, who court the media to the extent Green does by specifically publicising their child's surgery and body modifications.

Are all the deletions on this thread because of the new "don't talk about children's genitals" policy?

It's more of a "don't piss off Susie Green and her scary friends" policy.

Thought terminating cliche UpstartCrow

This thread has got TRA attention on Twitter.

Oops wrong thread, it's the peak trans one.

Are all the deletions on this thread because of the new "don't talk about children's genitals" policy?

How long before 'don't talk about puberty policy'?

slug thank you, but thats not it, theres another one.
You introduce an idea that knocks a person off their train of thought, which derails them. Or you introduce an idea that's so shocking it provokes a defensive, or extreme fight or flight response.

I think it might have started out as a sales technique.

I suppose every other site on the web has a "don't talk about trans" policy (apart from transactivists, obviously who can say what they like) so it's hard to complain too much.

I just find it hard to see how it's possible to talk about someone whose only "achievement" in life is doing what she did without actually, erm, referring to what she did.

UpstartCrow Dead cat? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy

Would really appreciate it if someone could email me the transcript that I read on here earlier [star][email protected]

Knowing MB had full editorial control of the whole programme I think it would be so enlightening to read transcripts of all the interviews.
Venice was amazing on that clip, refusing to be derailed from the importance of the topic.

Keepvid is another site from which you can download YouTube videos.

I can't do it right now but between us , make sure this and others aren't lost.

MB posted about the final say she had over content so it doesn't surprise me at all that this didn't make it in. I am naively surprised that MB was allowed such editorial control though. I naively assume programme makers are supposed to be balanced in what they broadcast.

This audio made Venice's clarity and rational perspective all the more striking. Listening, I can imagine how people will look back to these years from a future littered with lawsuits, regrets and ruined lives and appreciate how many women spoke up for these children's rights.

Thank you Venice for your perspective, clarity and courage.

Really glad to get a chance to hear more of the conversation between Venice and MB. I had a feeling that Venice must have been impressive because what was broadcast was underwhelming from MB's perspective.

In actual fact, what really struck me as remarkable was that despite MB being in full control of the story, MB failed spectacularly at making either Venice or the women at the Bristol meeting look like the bad guys.

Interesting experience watching this program with my DH who put it on despite my protests. Although he called MB "she" throughout, DH was singularly unimpressed bringing up a lot of the issues often discussed here.

Like at the Bristol meeting, MB saying MB was feeling uncomfortable because there were two distinct camps - the worried looking women who wanted to attend and the aggressive, threatening protesters insulting the women - DH just went "Is she really not going to distance herself from those thugs in balaclavas?" and "That's not a good look for her, not even commenting on that striking difference between the women and those protesters because it immediately makes the women look like the good guys" and on the clip of the speaker at the meeting and Munroe leaving due to being upset "She really can't stand hearing the truth, can she?"

I really felt for MB when MB was talking of being raped, but my plaintive cry of "But if MB was a victim of male violence too, why can't MB understand that women need single-sex spaces to be safe?" was answered by DH saying "Have you not been watching? It's blatantly obvious that she is a complete narcissist! She doesn't care about anyone but herself"

DH has zero interest in the whole debate, supports trans rights, has no problem with the transwomen he knows IRL but his take away from this documentary was that he can't see any reason why women should give up their rights for people like MB.

So either MB just didn't come across very well or MB's woe-is-me story just doesn't manage to justify a whole class of people losing rights (that was DH's reaction throughout - sorry mate, life's tough sometimes but you still can't take rights away from others just because you're struggling).

Still a newbie around here, so forgive my clunkiness but:-

Your child wants a tattoo on their sixteenth birthday? You disagree. You know it will help with the way they feel psychologically. Nope, sorry. Illegal. (You cant go just go in there to the tattoo parlour with them to make it OK, that would be weird.)

Your child wants to go out drinking in the local club on their sixteenth birthday. You disagree. You know it will help with the way they feel psychologically. Nope, sorry. Illegal. (You can't just go in there with them to the club as their parent to make it OK. That would be weird.).

Your child feels like the other sex category and wants to irrevocably alter their body through surgery on their sixteenth birthday. Law says No. You disagree. You know it will help with the way they feel psychologically.

Oh yes, that's OK. No problem. Pop off to another country that allows it (cos your own country doesn't) and then come back to your country and head up a charity that advises parents and teens on gender/sex issues. Receive money and plaudits from many organisations.

Yep, all fine. Nothing to see here.

AND because I'm a newbie, I worded my post wrongly! Trying again:=

Your child wants a tattoo on their sixteenth birthday? You agree they should have one. You know it will help with the way they feel psychologically. Nope, sorry. Illegal. (You cant go just go in there to the tattoo parlour with them to make it OK, that would be weird.)

Your child wants to go out drinking in the local club on their sixteenth birthday. You agree they should go out drinking. You know it will help with the way they feel psychologically. Nope, sorry. Illegal. (You can't just go in there with them to the club as their parent to make it OK. That would be weird.).

Your child feels like the other sex category and wants to irrevocably alter their body through surgery on their sixteenth birthday. Law says No. You agree with your child.. You know it will help with the way they feel psychologically.

Oh yes, that's OK. No problem. Pop off to another country that allows it (cos your own country doesn't) and then come back to your country and head up a charity that advises parents and teens on gender/sex issues. Receive money and plaudits from many organisations.

Yep, all fine. Nothing to see here.

100% agree with everything CharlieParley said.

I was surprised they aired the footage from inside the meeting, you could clearly hear the demonstration outside and they didn't sound like they wanted to share their biscuits.

Oh yes, that's OK. No problem. Pop off to another country that allows it (cos your own country doesn't) and then come back to your country and head up a charity that advises parents and teens on gender/sex issues. Receive money and plaudits from many organisations.

It's shocking, isn't it?