Girl Guides Panel discussion at Speakers house.... woman, male, woman, male, male, male....

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A woman who is blocked from view, Phillip Bunce who is sometimes dressed as female, Maria Miller MP, Trans woman Bex or Aimee (they look the same to me) and a bloke. They are discussing trans inclusion and the girl guides.

The timing of her departure seems odd.
This article, from the beginning of her tenure.

Perhaps she could not fight off the pomo?

Brownies next?

I wouldn't be surprised if some trans activist is placed somewhere high up or is somehow connected to the Guides. It's how it works.....

Yes, that's what I'm imagining too.

I wouldn't be surprised if some trans activist is placed somewhere high up or is somehow connected to the Guides. It's how it works.....

Yes, that's what I'm imagining too.

I honestly think it's elite social closure and the queering of the academy to blame. All our third sector orgs are run by the alumni of pomo-addled education institutions.

I have no idea of the situation at Girl Guides HQ. But sometimes in charities the executive team or CEO can be too keen to fall in with what they think is the prevailing political climate, making policy decisions beyond the normal critical thinking which their members are still using, and that can cause tensions with the members and volunteers and donating publif.

They may take policy directions because they may have anxieties about remaining above criticism (where the getting ‘ahead of the law’ impetus could come in) or they may have an eye on remaining competitive for public funding (from government/the taxpayer as well as donations from the public). Or there may be straightforward careerism, because being a reliable ‘yes person’ to government if you are a CEO in a major charity can be a route to well paid work in all kinds of sectors or a future seat in the House of Lords.

There can also be entryism into charities by people with an agenda, and children and young peoples’ charities providing single sex services will be likely targets on this issue. I hope someone who knows the Guides will be along to say something about what a change in CEO might mean for the future of their policies around letting trans-identifying male children in. And (it would seem) asking trans-identifying female children to leave the Guides. and all the secrecy around where parental expectations of single sex accommodation are not going to be met, and the safeguarding issues that are caught up in that.

1. It is true that it is mainly (exclsusively?) women / girl only orgs and spaces that have been targeted by groups to change their policies around this, and (essentially) admit penis people, force all the girls and women to watch their mouths and manage their reactions as they must pretend these people are female sex, and if the girls / women don't like it they must leave.

1. Plus schools of course

1. Who have all been given incorrect interpretations of the law, which (and especially for schools) expects single sex facilities

1. GG have not denied that they have been consulting Jane Faye, who is not a child / safeguarding expert, but a transwomen with a decades long career as the county's leading expert aiming to legalise extreme porn

1. And who believes that parents should not monitor / interfere with childrens internet usage at all as it's a privacy issue

1. And who tweeted abotu DV - that most deaths are "DV gone wrong" and happen becasue women have "eggshell skulls"

1. Also Aimee Challenor who with the best will in the world is unlikely to have a normal / sane understanding of safeguarding / boundaries / etc given their home life and background

1. And was very likely advised by a close family member with expertise in this area, who attended lots of political events with them - he was a scout leader, involved with a gymnastics club and also is now in prison for torturing and raping a child. The family seems to have a lot of issues aside from that, Aimee is NOT an appropriate person to be taking advice on child safeguarding from

1. Fuck this shit

10. Thank you Agnes for trying so hard and being so brave. All these orgs looking at women, women who have volunteered for years, women who have been activists for minority groups, women who have given their time to help the communinty, and saying NO you are dangerous and you must leave.... You are in good company.

11. What now? New CEO of GG I expect someone with a cock for certain. Their advert is designed to say that really they want someone with a cock who does not ID as a man. I would put money on the person hired being one of the usual suspects or closely connected with them.

I have a DD in brownies and one in guides.

i am not sure what to do.

I talk a lot on here but am all mouth and no trousers as worry about my job (I am main earner).

What are others with kids in these orgs going to do? I very much doubt that many of the leaders on the ground want boys in or men that they have to then share sleeping space with :/

But, how to raise it?

There is a big event coming soon for my Guide with an overnight. So I wouldn't know if she might be expected to share with a 14 yo boy? She is 11. That's just not right is it? How the fuck is she supposed to deal with this when presented with it as a fait accompli when she gets there?

She would quietly go along with it and swallow her discomfort.

That is female socialisation.

That is why we need female only spaces. So we can relax without our overseers from time to time.

How would she find the words to tell me? It would be something a girl would generally not take in their stride I'd have thought? Having to share with a possibly strapping 14yo boy at a "girls only" event? "I shared with someone called Diana and I didn't really like her" -- gives me totally the wrong steer on why she wants to tell me about it.

It is scary, why are all these trans organizations which are supposed to represent such a small percentage of people becoming so mainstreamed everywhere at the detriment of girls and women? And all these organizations are ignoring parents and their concerns.

My daughters attend both guides and scouts.
The reality of the situation is that if there were a transgender member in guides, the kids would be aware (they won't have had any hormones at that age so it be obvious what sex the child is regardless of their gender) and therefore the parents would know too. So the idea that parents would not be informed is pointless. The difference between scouts and guides is all in the wording of their policies. I do trust the leaders of both my guide and scout group to deal with situation sensibly if it arose so I'm not worried personally for my own girls.
Another group locally does have a transgender female in scouts and am aware that the other parents were aware and that a sensible solution was found when deciding who went on which tent when on their last camping trip. I got this info from one of the other parents. I won't give extra details in case it makes it identifiable.
I'm not against transgender girls joining guides but I strongly disagree with the wording on their policy and their disregard for safeguarding of all the girls in their care.

"The reality of the situation is that if there were a transgender member in guides, the kids would be aware (they won't have had any hormones at that age so it be obvious what sex the child is regardless of their gender) and therefore the parents would know too. So the idea that parents would not be informed is pointless. "

1. I don't go in and look at all the other children! I drop her off and leg it
2. I dont' think you can rely 100% that all children will tell their parents if someone obviously a boy is there
3. Larger events they migth share with kids from outside their group, I'd have thought

1. Guides as a mixed sex org is a different org

1. Why put all that other stuff abotu oh well this oh well that if actually you think GG have fucked up their safeguarding obligations

1. Why have I put that other stuff on if I disagree with the girl guiding guidelines.

I suppose because as a guiding leader (Rainbows) the guide leaders I know wouldn't do anything so stupid as to put a boy regardless of his identity in with girls without jnforming parents. The problem is the at the top of girl guiding and I'm furious that they are putting us in this situation. Some people on this thread were saying they were pulling their girls out but I don't see a risk in our district.

I'm also quite frustrated that I don't feel I can speak out formally because of my paid job.
Would love to be able to complain formally.

Ah gotcha .

I have one guide and ne brownie and the women who do it I am immensely grateful to for giving their time and effort for all the girls.

I appreciate them so much. IME leaders locally are very down to earth no nonsense types who will be put in a bind by all this becasue they are NOT the type to buy the idea that internal gender ID trumps sex, boys are girls if they say so, and need to sleep with the girls with neotehr the girls nor their parents being consulted or advised that this is going to happen.

It's just fucking stupid.

All of this goes again common sense.

Yes it is all so fucking stupid.

Girl Guides Panel discussion at Speakers house.... woman, male, woman, male, male, male....

" Good guy, good guy, good guy, wanker...."

couldn't resist

please be aware however that scouting permits and has always permitted mixed sleeping.

Really? From what age, and is it supervised?

My daughter went on an international camp with Girlguiding recently. There was a contingent from a UK Scouts region there as well. I don't know if they were sleeping in mixed tents (I do know that the GG had a strict no going into a boys tent and no boys in a GG tent policy) but my daughter did inform me that the Scouts were provided with condoms by their leaders.

I know this thread's got on to discussing other related stuff, but I just wanted to reflect back on the original posting.

Here we see an image, in the House of Commons, of GirlGuiding being 'advised' by, and 'standing shoulder to shoulder' with a panel of mostly male-bodied people who have chosen to adopt the stereotypical trappings of 'womanhood', (whether it's because they say they have dysphoria or, like our dear Pips, just want to express themselves).

ADVISING GirlGuiding, a charity that had represented the interests of girls (defined in that old-fashioned, retro interpretation of 'girls') for over 100 years.

I'm not sure if Aimee was there, but it sure looks like Aimee sitting on the front row.

Aimee, 20 yrs old, who has had a sadly challenged and disruptive childhood, who is linked to 'furry' fetishism and is in a relationship, amongst others, with a 39-year old 'furry/baby fetish' male.

Aimee, who misguidedly employed their father as election agent, following their father's arrest for torturing and sexually abusing a 10 year old girl, whilst dressed as a 'girl' and wearing a nappy.

Aimee who later congratulated GirlGuiding for embracing the trans ideology:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/girlguiding-to-welcome-transgender-children-and-leaders_uk_5885ea1be4b020854098d033

It's fascinating, though not surprising, that the loudest political trans voices are male-bodied people with 'diverse' sexual histories.

And the ones who want to infulence policy in this area.

I have no issue with people's personal sexual preferences. But I find it interesting that there is such a link between trans and public acknowledgement of these preferences.

I do not know whether Jo Swinson likes to swing naked from the chandeliers.

Whether Theresa May enjoys a little light bondage.

Whether Dawn Butler is in a polyamorous relationship.

But I know much more about the following people's sex lives, who turn up time and again advising third sector, and governmental organisations on trans issues.

Tara Hewitt's BDSM preferences and keenness to educate people that the trans umbrella includes men who get a sexual kick out of dressing in women's clothes and that's a normal part of the 'trans umbrella' (but probs only for men, ha ha, Tara, thanks for that 'joke'!).
Jess Bradley's preference for getting their dick out in public places.
Jane Fae's campaigning for reducing barriers to extreme porn access and age barriers.
Sarah Brown's polyamorous status and general 'suck my pickled balls' proclamations.
Aimee Challenor's furry and nappy preferences, posted online.
Zoe O'Connell's polyamorous relationship status.
David Challenor's Green Party support for his trans child.
Zinnia Jones' firm desire to support the trans kids, whilst operating a porn blog on the side. (OK, not politics, but very loud!)
Philip Bunce's cross-dressing needs, including his hand-waving, fishnet-wearing, leg bending appropriation of 'womanhood' on the days he feels like it.

And we're meant to listen to these people over female people when thinking about policy-making for the Girl Guides?

Discussion on the world at one this lunchtime