The right to bare arms.....for women only

[whatnow123]

As a man reading some of these threads, the fear women have of male violence is greater than I realised.

Is a 2nd amendment, for women, a solution?

Pro gun women in America say the gun is the great equaliser. They say it makes them safer. I think it's a good argument.

I carry a gun, I also carry a knife and pepper spray, Apart from the gun, they were gifts from DH. He was worried because I sometimes meet strangers to buy stuff off Facebook and wanted be to have some kind of protection.

I do feel safer when armed, (especially in cities), and don’t see a issue with it. DH carries also.

I didn't realise the current 2nd amendment was for men only!

But more guns is always a shit idea.

yuck id rather be raped and shot than carry a gun about... Im not joking. Im glad I live in the UK.

'Bare arms' lol.

Not only do I not want the faff of owning a gun but I resent being told my own response to male violence should be preparing to blow someone's head off. Don't we already know that violence traumatises people?

But it wouldn't kill anyone to just stop attacking women.

'They say it makes them safer.' I grew up in an NRA household so I know the arguments. But are American women safer? Is the US a Shangri-La of sex equality and non-violence?

Also beware asking me to make my own decisions on what constitutes a threat worth shooting someone over. When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

It would be futile. The dangerous men would overpower you and use it on you.

I have thought about a 'ring' that could administer a shot of sedative if a man was trying to rape you or kill you. Just enough to render them paralysed long enough to escape.

No doubt women would be punished more severely for paralysing attackers than men currently are for raping. But it'd be worth it. I'd go to trial/prison for deliberately paralysing some violent creep before I'd get raped or strangled or beaten up or killed.

So if anybody is designing such an item let me know.

I bare arms and have great guns btw.

Sun's out guns out is my motto.

But if all women carried tasers and defended each other, that could work.

Has anyone read the Power. Such a good book.

Bare arms

Yeah more guns means more gun deaths so really really bad idea!

Interesting that the Male answer to the epidemic of Male on female violence is to continue making it the woman's responsibility and perpetuate even more violence.
Men need to sort their shit out frankly.

I wish I could stop men being violent, but having been assaulted a few times myself, it's not easy, if not impossible

What reduced male violence towards me, personally, was an increase in size and musclemass. Obviously not so easy for women.

Do gun owning women in America feel safer? They probably do.

Women are still being raped and murdered in America, regardless of how safe they feel.

Do gun owning women in America feel safer? They probably do.

Whether they feel safer is irrelevant. Are they actually safer?

If they do, it's a seriously misplaced feeling. They're simply more likely to get shot.

Do gun owning women in America feel safer? They probably do.

Yes I do, and I do not believe that’s misplaced.

whatnow I live in Texas. I don’t feel safer knowing that half the women I know have guns in their handbags.

I don’t feel my children are safer than knowing there’s an armed policeman in their school.

IME the women with guns in their handbags don’t feel any safer than I do and I’m unarmed.

I’d go as far as to say that people with weapons actually feel less safe.

Pratchet Mon 14-May-18 18:17:17
Has anyone read the Power. Such a good book.

Was just about to post the same thing.

whatnow123 Strongly recommend you read the novel The Power by Naomi Alderton.

Bloody hell thats the last time I buy anything off Facebook.

Great to live with a man who insists on me not leaving him so that he can have continued access to a gun. No possible issues there.

Either the gun is loaded and accessible and therefore likely to be used against me accidentally or intentionally, or it's safely stored and not much use.

[Sits on hands not to mention 'who decides who's a woman'. Oopsy. ]

Really, really stupid idea.

1. The US women's murder rate is above UK men's murder rate (because guns).

2. If all women can legally get guns, men can really easily get illegal guns if they get angry.

If the aim is to reduce violence a better idea would be to ban guns in the US

Go look at countries that have low crime rates, especially for violent crime. For example, Monte Carlo, Japan and Singapore.

The USA legal system, their health care system, their education and culture, their economy - they dont work. there are better ways of managing all of those systems but they require a completely different culture and mind set.

Thankfully I always seemed to live in parts of the Bible Belt and Midwest where guns were pretty rarely. I didn't know anyone who owned one until I was in high school and it was a friend's dad who was a police officer. One of my biggest fears growing up in the States was my mother getting a gun. It's still quite a scary idea to me.

I've never viewed guns as a source of personal safety. I mean, even though I sometimes joke that the heat spray I carry in my bag to deal with joint issues would really mess up anyone who tried to attack me - and make them smell for days - I don't think in an attack situation I'd be able to use it like that that well. It takes a lot of training and practice to use a weapon and/or tactic under that kind of pressure. I don't think guns are a good solution for most people.

I do think an open conversation on percieved and actual physical safety issues and how to work on helping to improve both.

You know how abusers ignore restraining orders telling them they must stay at least 100 metres away from their victims? I have this brilliant idea that they should be fitted with electric shock collars (like ankle monitors, but round the neck, and with the ability to give high voltage shocks) that would begin to give a light warning tingle when they reached the 100 metre limit, gradually increasing in strength until it would leave them convulsing on the ground if they came within touching distance of the person they have been ordered to stay away from.

The original idea was that victims would be given wrist units with big red buttons they could press to administer shocks to abusers who got too close, but on further consideration I thought it might be unedifying to see lots of blokes being chased down the street by chortling women gleefully poking away at red buttons, so the idea was updated to an automatic system.

If the legal system had been designed by women solutions like this would already be in use.

I refuse to bear arms or bare my arms, cardigans all the way for me. And no guns.

Can safety not also be a perception. If a gun makes you feel safer, like it does for Kursk, surely it's a positive thing.

Its not mandatory but it would be interesting to see how many women would take it up.

I know my wife would, after being burgled she feels a lot more vulnerable at night when alone. Would a gun make her safer? Not sure. Would she feel safer. Definitely.

Definitely no guns. That would be as regressive a step as this whole GRA horror is proving to be.

However, I am glad that you have realised how frightening we can find men. Is it really such a surprise to you? Do you see why we don't want men in our spaces? Or why we don't want the great fat cuckoo that is transgender sitting in our nest?