Laurie Penny's Mirror World

[ArcheryAnnie]

Apparently gender-crit women are a cult who don't tolerate dissent.

Laurie, come over here and have a quick look through the threads. Then have a look at your own lot.

Then tell me again who is "cult-like".

but then she’ll come up with the exact points those other feminists have made

That's not an accident, Penny is well aware of radical feminist arguments yet she repeatedly misrepresents them for Cool Girl cookies. She takes other women's work, spins it to decentre women, then presents it as wide eyed newly found Penny-penned wisdom.

LaSqrrl - she's a perpetual self googler, maybe it will make it on to her next book jacket?

Mmm. I had always put it down to willingly blinkered naivety (this is Laurie “but Milo’s such FUN!” Penny after all), but maybe not.

Nothing will ever click! She's a grifter - with a decent enough turn of phrase and class privileged social capital to get herself published. Still a grifter.

Open letter from socialist Feminist Network
www.socfem.net/2018/05/labour-women-for-womens-rights

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3245178-Labour-Women-for-Women-s-Rights-Open-letter

I posted something on Twitter the other day and another woman politely disgareed, and explained why she thought I was wrong.

I thought about it, realised she was right and apologised.

Clearly we were TERFing all wrong.

Is that why the Leaders havent made themselves known to me yet?

Projection works. That's why they do it.

Laurie doesn't get Cluster B nor abusive men - her latest stuff is so self absorbed as to be boring - shame she had potential and hasn't cut the mustard to date

Oh, fuck off. Laurie Penny has done more for feminism than you internet TERF trolls ever will.

"Laurie Penny has done more for feminism than you internet women who say things I don't like ever will."

Bit questionable, given that I know there are women on here who devote their RLs offline to working in DV shelters, trade union activism for women's rights, working with women who've exited prostitution.

LP is what she is. Much I disagree with her on re ideology. Same with OJ. However, LP contacted me personally and with empathy during the labour party’s recent woes and was very kind. She was the only person who understood and offered to write about my experience of being abused by people on ‘her side’ (not re trans). So from that I conclude she is a person. OJ who I have met in person IMO from that experience is entirely unable to engage with thought, he’s virtually robotic.

And pray, what has Laurie Penny done for feminism except for constantly demand that it centres men, dinosaursandtea?

Also- while we're on this, someone tell me, what's a shorter non-essentialist way to refer to 'people who have a uterus and all that stuff'?

Yep, right up there with all the best feminist theorists! Not like all the raggedy, useless wannabes on FWR!

That thread Lang

So from that I conclude she is a person.

Yes? Of course she's a person. All the people demanding we centre men are people. They are all capable of kindness when they feel like it. Some are centring men for malicious reasons, some are doing it because they are badly-informed, some are doing it because they think it's their own best chance of survival to be one of the Cool Girls, some are ideological zealots, etc etc.

I had a trans activist have a go at me in real life, face to face, this week. I came away feeling like they were very emotionally and mentally fragile, and ever since then my anger has been tempered with the suspicion of that fragility. I acknowledge that this trans activist who had a very unpleasant go at me is a person, and I am reacting accordingly. But even that fragility, that knowledge that they are a person, doesn't stop me being angry at their actions, too.

tl;dr of course Laurie Penny is a person. She's still talking bullshit, and is working directly against the interests of other women.

I had a trans activist have a go at me in real life, face to face, this week. I came away feeling like they were very emotionally and mentally fragile, and ever since then my anger has been tempered with the suspicion of that fragility.

You can be vulnerable and malicious or vulnerable and not malicious. One doesn't necessarily mean the other comes with it. But even vulnerable people who are not malicious can present as an increased risk to others - particularly when their vulnerabilities mean they cannot perceive the consent or boundaries of others as existing, let alone valid.

The thing is that from the perspective of the person or people harmed by the vulnerable person's actions their vulnerability doesn't make much difference, and shouldn't mean that they're allowed to continue harming others with impunity.

Laurie Penny has her fans, that's for sure.

Jesus, that tweet is pure unadulterated projection. Laurie, go clean your own house out before you try and tidy ours.

Laurie would probably employ a female cleaner, then justify it as expanding job creation for women.

sorry, not sorry, being a bit facetious HR

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2017/01/14/dear-laurie-penny/

Excellent takedown by Lisa Ansell / Muggeridge.

Wow Amazing analysis of LP by Lisa Muggeridge, who I have a lot of time for. It reinforces my view of LP.

My point was broadly this;

1. Yes, I think she is using her platform to say things I believe are harmful.

1. I don’t think her mind is entirely closed to everything because of narcissism, based on my personal experience with her, unlike OJ who definitely has come across as narcissistic when I have been in his company.

Just reading that article on Laurie Penny - what are all these references about people shouting 'scab'at women about? The author doesn't go any deeper so I assume it's a well known thing but not one I'd previously come across.

Laurie would probably employ a female cleaner, then justify it as expanding job creation for women.

Penny did once advertise for a researcher who she offered less than minimum wage. Some info on that here:
She would pay 500 quid for 85 hours of work = comes to about 5.88 pounds an hour. Below the minimum wage. She also specifies preference for a female to do the job, in contravention of equality laws.
(From the comments)

liberalengland.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/penny-red-in-pantomime.html?m=1