How would you actually implement bathrooms separated by sex?

[blackandredarrow]

I'm actually curious about this. I'm defining sex as the most common combinations of chromosomes and gonads.

How would you enforce that only people with a particular combination uses a particular bathroom? In the case of intersex people, or transgender people who pass well?

Don’t. Just have single cubicles with individual sinks inside. Each cubicle with proper dividing walls which gives ough privacy.

I'm curious how you don't know the answer to this already!

It is and always has been separated by sex. This is monitored by other users of the toilet who are able to challenge people who should not be in there. No one cares about a transsexual who isn't causing a problem of themselves, an honorary pass has been historically granted to them.

Bathrooms are already, mostly very successfully, separated by sex.

The whole loos thing is a custom.

In the workplace it's the law to provide same sex loos for employees (but not customers). If a company can only provide unisex loos for employees it has to be a completely self contained cubicle. That's a legal requirement.

It's up to individual establishments how they manage their public loos. As it's just a custom there's nothing stopping a bloke going into the women's anyway, apart from looking out of place. Transgender ideology wants to break these customs down and make it impossible to challenge ppl of the opposite sex in a same-sex environment basically moving everything to unisex.

Well, not strictly speaking, not if you accept my definition of sex (usual gonads & chromosomes combinations). People with different combinations use the same toilets. And users of those toilets might not have any clue about it.

The same way they are now. If you are in the wrong bathroom but not being a nuisance then few people will notice or complain.

Another question. A couple of comments say that transgender people who pass are ok. In the event that some transgender person, albeit putting much effort into it, doesn't pass, wouldn't we be discriminating on the basis of appearance?

Is it discrimination to segregate by sex? Does it harm someone?

We should always discriminate on the basis of sex. If someone is in a sane-sex environment who is not of the same sex we have every right to discriminate on that basis.

A sane-sex environment sounds a bit dull for my liking anyway.

gendercritter: I meant discriminate in the scientific meaning

Opheliah: what I'm asking is, how would you actually do that

"I'm defining sex as the most common combinations of chromosomes and gonads."

Huh? How many definitions do you think the word has?

Also, from my current understanding of the laws: transgender people can (and do) already use the bathrooms they are most comfortable using, at least in the UK

Toilets always have been seperated by sex.

I know I have seen many transwomen in public loos, but only queing or handwashing.
They may have been male, but werent causing an problem so no complaints.
Ive also been in pubs and clubs and had bouncers remove males from womens toilets who were causing a problem.

The respect based system may not have been enforced in law, but it worked in my (limited) experience.

CoteDAzur: well, there are more sexual characterisations to it, that's why I made it very clear what I was referring to

Well it's a custom isn't it so it's done by saying
"Oi mate this is the ladies."

Or by saying to the management "i just saw a bloke go into the ladies and he's not budging can you call security"

Or whatever.

Have you used a loo before?

I'm pretty happy with what happens now. because toilets are nominally single sex (though as you rightly point out, that is both hard and pointless to rigidly enforce), women are free to challenge men making a nuisance of themselves in the ladies.

let's keep doing that.

"Don’t. Just have single cubicles with individual sinks inside."

Maybe look into the space required for that kind of floor plan before you suggest it for every single public building. It would be impossible for places with large human traffic, like airports.

Hyppolyta: but, as per what you say, technically, they haven't been strictly separated by sex

Opheliah: what if a transgender person passes well? how would you be able to tell? this is my original question

cor, this is a circular conversation isn't it. Are you actually reading any of the replies blackandredarrow?

"there are more sexual characterisations to it"

I don't know what you're talking about. "Sexual characterizations"?

There are 2 sexes. Male and female. They are defined clearly in every dictionary, with no need for multiple "sexual characterizations".

Yes trans folk do use whatever loo, and we have every right to say we're not comfortable if we think it's a bloke in the women's. Equality right?

Why is sex segregation such a problem all of a sudden?

"as per what you say, technically, they haven't been strictly separated by sex"

Yes, they are. Wherever there are male & female spaces, they are clearly marked as such on the door.

Are you new on this planet, by any chance?