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Have just grassed you up for banning them @MNHQ

They said "Mumsnet you left us no choice"

I think you are supposed to hang your heads in shame

The Home Office?

I am going to look into it.

Can I ask why we think it's Helen/Giuliana? Is there evidence? That wasn't what came across to me when whoositwhatever rocked up on the thread. That person sounded quite arrogant, self assured, entitled, used to getting their own way. Also quite immature. Like a student TRA or at least someone quite young and politically zealous. Helen and Giuliana are full of impotent frothing rage at gender critical women. The SF thread poster did refer to "we this" and "we that" though so there might be several people involved?

Dozens of West Yorkshire coppers will be jumping into their patrol cars as we speak.

Crying with laughter (while waiting for a knock on the door).

Does anyone know who we would contact to make a complaint about a woman who takes her child abroad for castration? This is getting silly and it seems to be to be a cry for help. Which I am more than happy to get involved with.

Would it be her local police force?

There is a lot of advice on the gov.uk site about what to do if you suspect FGM, there is a duty of care for health professionals, teachers, childminders etc to report if they have any suspicion of a child being taken abroad for GM procedures. It does focus on girls but then I guess if this parent is insisting their child is indeed a girl this becomes FGM.

As a childcare professional I would contact the Local Safeguarding Children Board (LSCB) - each area has one, details likely to be on the council website for the local area of the child involved.

Link discussion about current situation with regards Posie Parker / Mermaids / Susie Green:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241467-Posie-truthcrime-harassment-continues

I said this on another thread, but I havent' woken up properly yet to have another thought, so I'll repeat it here:

Very reasonable request from MN for the account holder to get in touch with MNHQ to discuss some stuff (standard protocol, I believe, where there are concerns?)

Response? "I tried being nice, but you just wouldn't listen. Now look what you made me do! This is all your fault - if only you had done as you were told, none of this would have happened. Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted?"

Classic abuse tactics

TERFragette - you could try the local Police & Crime Commissioner rather than go to the HO (who will almost certainly push it back to local force)

Response? "I tried being nice, but you just wouldn't listen. Now look what you made me do! This is all your fault - if only you had done as you were told, none of this would have happened. Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted?"

Classic abuse tactics

Absolutely.

Little WYP are mostly on secondment to the Tour De Yorkshire, enyoying the weather and having a Mivvi, so the TRA's will need to give it a while for their reports to be NFAd investigated.

James Kirkup wrote in The Spectator 'Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?'

[extract discussing recent Home Affairs committee- Hate crime]

"(Stephen Doughty MP) said. “Do you think the use of the phrase “trans lobby” is an appropriate one?”

As it happens, Dr Carmichael in her lecture said some things that seem relevant here:

“Gender has become amazingly topical and we have to be really careful not to assume that anyone is exploring or questioning their gender is going to want to change their bodies in line with that. The extremes on either side are not helpful. We need to look at the grey areas in between. To do that we need to be able to talk and discuss these issues. All too often stakeholders become lobby groups.”

She did not name any stakeholder. But her words might be relevant to a charity called Mermaids. Mermaids is a charity that describes itself as “a support group for children and young people with gender dysphoria and their families”. Its CEO, Susie Green describes herself as “parent to a daughter who was born male.” Mermaids is a relatively small charity (it had income of £127,000 in the year to March 2017) with a big reach. It has prominent backers and its advice and recommendations have been absorbed and adopted by many public bodies."
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Janice Turner's response, "Meet me in the lobby". It's about Stephen Doughty's attack on her: "He was referring to a column I wrote last november, to accompany a long-researched Saturday Magazine report on the spike in teenage girls being referred to gender clinics: a 3,500 per cent increase in seven years..."
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3239062-Janice-Turner-in-todays-Times

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233421-Home-Affairs-Committee-Hate-crime-enquiry-Newspaper-editors-interviewed

If fgm is illegal, even abroad, why is it ok to remove testes abroad when it is illegal here. Why haven't social services got involved? Seems very peculiar to me.

WYP are mostly on secondment to the Tour De Yorkshire, enyoying the weather and having a Mivvi

Having looked through the screenshots posted on that Twitter account, all I can say is thanks to them for spreading such sensible posts about basic biological fact.

To misquote, "You keep using that word transphobia. It doesn't mean what you think it means"

twitter.com/mumsnetreport

No choice but what? Get out the TERF-killer baseball bats and samurai swords?

... and MNHQ have deleted my post where I quoted the letter in The Guardian. Because that account told them to. [Message from MNHQ: We've reinstated this post now]

I will complain to MNHQ. And get it reinstated.

My entire post was as follows. The words in quotes are where I quoted The Guardian letter.

"This is problematic when such male-bodied people, including sexual fetishists, demand the rights afforded to women as a protected sex, including access to their private spaces."

That reference to sexual fetishists is really important.

Gets it right out into the open.

Well done to everyone involved.

Interesting intellectual debate about thm: if fgm law only applies to girls' labia, clitoris etc then if a parent were to claim their child was AND ALWAYS HAD BEEN a girl then any surgery on that child to reshape the genitals into a more conformable shape would, in fact, fall under fgm legislation?

waving to helen

Thanks for the 3 posts you've posted on your Twitter account.

If yi get to number five do I get a prize?

Is this the person who was just quoting users and posting 'this is transphobic' over and over? If so, it was getting quite annoying, it was basically spam. Not sure what the issue would have been with, actually talking about stuff? Like 'I think this is transphobic and here is why' and actually joining in with the conversation?

@MNHQ deleting that post is ridiculous.

It IS important to highlight the sub-group of people who are cross-dressing sexual fetishists. I was in a relationship with one. They DO exist. It's a valid and entirely appropriate area of debate.

It doesn't mean all trans people are sexual fetishists. But if the trans umbrella expands to include that group then there is a very obvious conflict of rights between people who get a sexual thrill from being seen by women when dressed as a woman and non-consenting female members of the public who get unwittingly drawn into that.

I'm prepared to die in a fire over that point.

I keep going back to have a look... maybe we should be supporting her!

Her assertion that some of those posts are 'transphobic' will cause much head scratching! Mad as a box of frogs!

I didn't even make that frigging point about sexual fetishists.

The signatories of the letter in The Guardian did. I just said it was important. That's it.

We can't even quote national newspapers now? I just had a look at The Guardian site and they haven't taken that text about sexual fetishists out.

Ooh! My iPod has just joined in! It's on shuffle and The Who just came on I suspect this will be disappeared, but the serendipity made me laugh out loud

I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But my ma won't admit it
I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But if I say I am
I get it...

I wonder if HQ really did delete 90% of the reported posts though. As when I looked through that account the other day, there was only one of the screenshots I would say was possibly transphobic. but if near all were deleted, then HQ are just giving into bullies it seems. And of course it will never be enough. It will just go on and on, even if every GC poster was deleted constantly, the next thing would be the 'transphobic; campaigns..men can get pregnant too! Etc.

FGS. Someone on another thread linked across to a reddit thread - I'd never read there before but the awful, awful stuff in the first few posts was enough. All male posters. That is absolutely transphobia, it's truly horrible stuff and I'd never before realised how horrible - although sadly it was also somewhat familiar in style as that's pretty much how men's forums talk about women too. Complain about that in the press and draw attention to it and I'll come and support, it's vile!

The complaints here to MN are about non compliance and questioning, and that's all .