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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A response to Pink News

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Tinlegs · 05/05/2018 17:03

Dear Pink News.

You published this article today

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/05/04/how-to-support-a-trans-person-at-work/

And I appreciate that trans people need support.

But, so do women. I thought, given that you are worried about supporting people at work, this might help.

Enjoy.

How to support a woman in the world.

When someone comes to you and is a woman, what is the best thing to say and how can you support that woman?

After all, the last thing you want to do is cause any offence or upset her in any way. There are four things that you might say that can potentially cause offence.

One

Never refer to being a woman as ‘a choice.’ Being a woman is not a choice. You wouldn’t choose to live your life in a way that risked you facing daily abuse, discrimination and prejudice.

You wouldn’t choose to undergo all the things being a woman entails including menstruation, pregnancy, childbirth, caring for babies, children and elderly relatives, menopause and waiting years for surgery for things like sterilisation, being denied abortion rights and all the distress that arises from these things which women do. Being a woman everyday is not a choice.

Most women know that they are women because they have XX chromosomes, a vagina, uterus, breasts and ovaries. They are not assigned at birth - their sex is observed. If you are not sure about what a woman is, ask your Mum.

Think of it like having a brain in a female body that does brain things like motor control, thinking about stuff and getting things done. Women have progressed through their life with people around them expecting them to be women and do ‘womanly’ things when inside they really would rather run the world, not have to fight the patriarchy and wear what the hell they want.

Women learn very early on to hide the true person they really are so they can fit in and be accepted.

Women’s issues can cause extreme distress. Women are murdered, raped, attacked and objectified. Baby girls are dumped on rubbish heaps. I can produce a fuck tonne of statistics to show that women are badly treated, that crime is committed against women - not by women. That women are killed by men. More than 4 in 5 women have been harmed by men.

Being a woman is most definitely not a choice.

Two

Don’t use incorrect prefixes. Rather than worry about saying the wrong thing or avoiding the woman to be sure you don’t ‘get it wrong’ - assume that no woman ever wants to be called cis.

Don’t share your pronouns. She doesn’t care. She is too busy trying to be a woman in this fucked up world. And “Gina” doesn’t work in finance any longer. She had a First Class Honours degree in Maths but her job became untenable when she used her female body to produce the next generation and the company shafted her (metaphorically) , just after her ex-husband had shafted her (literally) before discovering he wanted to be Gina too and demanding she use the correct pronouns.

In the early days, you may make an occasionally mistake. Correct yourself and move on. Don’t make a big deal out of it - you will just make it worse.

Three

Don’t ask insensitive questions and say something you know will upset the woman.

Questions about genitals (“Are you pregnant?” “Did it hurt?” Oh, are you on your period?”) lower surgery (“Did you tear?”) and sexual preferences (“Do you want a shag, you know you do) are definitely no-go conversations in the office, maybe ever. Respect that.

Four

Don’t ask their previous name. They may or may not have changed their name as many women choose to do. Get over it. They don’t identify as any gender and won’t appreciate being reminded of the patriarchy and the ownership of women implicit in the marriage ceremony.

Now, imagine this. You have a colleague at work that asks to speak with you. They have something they want to tell you. Something that you need to know about them. Alone together, they tell you they are a woman and to stop telling them what a woman is and appropriating their sex.

How do you respond?

Firstly, consider all those years they have been dealing with bleeding, sexual harassment, lower wages, poor promotion prospects, caring for the elderly, cleaning, having to prove themselves in spite of being women - just so the world can pretend we have equality.

Next, Bear in mind that being a woman is not a thing to be taken lightly. Being a woman is sacred.

This is not a phase she is going through. This is the result of many sleepless nights (Usually, it was her mother who was sleepless when she was a baby. Very occasionally, it may have been a grandmother.) She is not confused. She does not need you to explain what a woman is to her. She lives it. Every day.

That moment with you is the culmination of many hours of deliberating the exact words to use, the appropriate timing and potential reactions.

When someone ‘officially’ reminds you that they are a woman, they are not saying those words for the first time. They have lived those words every single day. For months, years, worried about how you might try to take that away from them.

And, finally, they have a million and one thoughts and fears running through their head right now. And they are really fucking angry that they have to deal with this shit when the world is throwing babies on rubbish tips and they have to put a washing on.

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Clinicalwaste · 05/05/2018 22:40

Awesome post and doing the rounds on twitter too 👍 well done

thebewilderness · 05/05/2018 22:42

The Pink News article reminds me of all the ladies mags telling women how to better serve men, month after month ad nauseum. Not surprisingly they are all owned and operated by men.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 05/05/2018 23:37

That is great. Many thanks.

VaggieMight · 05/05/2018 23:46

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AskAuntLydia · 06/05/2018 00:07

Love it

Wreckless1 · 06/05/2018 00:17

Thanks for the really inspiring post OP. I love the two Ginas bit. Obviously!

You can share my Wine and Gin. Happy Bank Holiday.

TalkingintheDark · 06/05/2018 00:17

Fabulous! 👏👏👏 Thank you for this.

And good points ShotsFired and thebewilderness about the surgery con. And about the mags telling women how better to serve men. The original is entirely in that vein, as are all the “how to be a better ally” articles.

OlennasWimple · 06/05/2018 00:26

Apart from a painfully out of touch, straight white man, who really needs this sort of guidance anyway? Isn't the basic principle when an employee tells you something important but personal to take the leas from them in terms of what they are comfortable with being shared more widely; making sure that they get proper support at work, including potentially compassionate leave, reasonable adjustments, and understanding how HR policies may or may not apply.

OlennasWimple · 06/05/2018 00:28

but brilliant writing, OP, thanks

loveyouradvice · 06/05/2018 01:07

tinlegs loved this ... just what I come on Mumsnet for .... some laughter and reality, shared with amazing women with warmth and humour.... after a tough day of being a woman..... where seriously ill DD has needed me every minute and now was the first time for me time....a little light relief.... and my latest update on the biggest issue of our time

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 06/05/2018 01:29

Reading that was balsam for my frazzled soul. Thanks OP.

Tinlegs · 06/05/2018 08:18

Thanks very much everyone. I think Gins has potential to appear in a few more stories.

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Tinlegs · 06/05/2018 08:18

Gina..,,,although Gins too.

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Tinlegs · 06/05/2018 08:40

This was on Twitter. Brilliant writing and well worth a read.

4thwavenow.com/2018/05/05/detransitioned-man-blasts-transworld/

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HelpTheTigers · 06/05/2018 11:38

OP, that sounds about right! At work we are walking on eggshells in case we 'offend' anyone, not that we have any transgender employees but the guidance handed down from management is that even if you are referring privately to (say) Lily M, we have to say 'she' or we are being transphobic and will be disciplined. Personally I have no interest in Lily M but do have an interest in what's happening out there and it seems to be escalating.
Your post was excellent and IMO, highlighted the difference between the poisonous rantings of some of the translobby, and those on the female side of the fence. I'm absolutely not including people like Miranda Y, who are probably being subjected to even more poison than women who are standing up to the TRAs' tyranny and misogyny.

[flowers[ Flowers for you and thanks so much for your amazing work!

HelpTheTigers · 06/05/2018 11:39

Bugger, that was supposed to be two bunches of flowers, you will have to make do with just one!

Tinlegs · 06/05/2018 12:09

Thanks for the flowers. I only have one vase but am working through a bottle of gin given by another poster so am working towards two. Only then will I be able to keep two bunches alive. So, good call.

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OnTheList · 06/05/2018 14:56

Do the gay men who're the core of the Pink News demographic not get a bit tired of the relentless propaganda too?

PN has not been for gay men for a long time now. I used to actually enjoy reading articles on there, now its just endless propaganda.

OP, excellent post. And not a single lie or exaggeration. Maybe Penis News should hire you Grin

Tinlegs · 06/05/2018 17:56

Not sure they can afford me. I would demand female toilets and no platform for TAs.

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LittlePaintBox · 09/05/2018 12:36

This is fabulous.

MorrisZapp · 09/05/2018 12:37

Fookin A

Opheliah · 09/05/2018 12:54

Is this up on a blog somewhere? Should be shared.

Sunkisses · 09/05/2018 14:17

Amazing! But why is @MNHQ deleting loads of comments?

Onemorning · 09/05/2018 15:56

Brava

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