Don't quit Mumsnet

[Dorade]

I've seen quite a few GC women on twitter saying they are quitting Mumsnet.

As a strategy that is beyond bonkers.

While there is inconsistency in moderation and daft moves like allowing people to report posts via twitter, the fact remains that Mumsnet has been instrumental in the backlash against the excesses of trans ideology, and setting up a different forum will be completely ineffective by comparison.

I am sure MNHQ are treading a difficult line but us being able to use this forum is immensely valuable. The media take MN seriously. Lurkers are being converted at a rate of knots.

Do not go. Stay and fight.

MN is where I trans peaked. Please do not leave. Everything I know about the trans issues I have learnt here. You are peaking women every day.

Yes, please stay. There is more room to talk hear than anywhere else.

No, don't quit - because that's why the TAs are attacking so ferociously - because this is a valuable platform.

Yanbu op.

I second both of the first two posts

Do NOT do it, it’s exactly what TAs want!

It’s the only high profile place I have seen people be able to speak freely on this issue. I might not contribute to it much but the reading is invaluable.

I want to know if its true there are lifetime bans occurring for transphobia?
What on earth is happening?

Thinking through my mental list of outspoken FWR regulars I can't think of any who've disappeared, so I don't think any have been banned (and there's almost always a "have you heard so-and-so's been banned" thread when this happens - think of anyfucker a few years back - so I'm pretty sure we'd know).

Some of the moderation is frustrating though. Like the invisible one on the paedophile thread, until they EVENTUALLY said what it was.

It is had to abide by invisible and new 'rules' per thread.

Sorry, 'hard' to abide by.
Note to self, proof read old dear.

I saw this on Twitter too so popped over to see what was happening. I've been on mn a lot less since getting sucked into Twitter!

Glad to see this thread though. My first thought was that leaving would be a bad idea too.

I lurk, I don't post.

I read, I learn.

I sincerely hope those with wisdom and knowledge and the skills to articulate are not leaving us behind.

I lurk because I don't have the way with words to discuss and explain ( and so patiently) - and to be as humorous as those talented, clever women who inspire me here on FWR every day.

Please don't go!

I’m not going unless they make me, 15 years and I’ve seen many misogynists come and go. Someone behaving like a pouty overlord with cringing kitchen selfies will not be tolerated for long.

If there is any such thing as being banned for 'transphobia' it'd only be fair to give us a definition of that word, which seems to encompass anything and everything as far as TRAs are concerned. One of the threads on here shows that succinctly.

I came to Mumsnet from Gransnet after someone from here 'popped over' about the GGUK rubbish that's going on. And I'm now on here rather than Gransnet as that's very unpolitical. So I'm staying. I wish we could say what we like; I know we are policed because we are mainly women here and different standards apply to us ("why can't you just be nicer?" - whoever says that to men?) and I would like to be freed from that. But in this capitalist society advertisers have power. I would be happy to have a subscription-based service to free us of that tyranny myself, but am aware that won't work for everyone.

We could tell Mumsnet HQ we will be on strike. 48 hours without coming over here.
Tbh the male bodied people that come here to shout TERF are not the ones bringing in the revenue.
Entrepreneurs here, can a competition site be set? We could move over there if Mumsnet wants to feed us to the male bodied people that don't like what we say. I will have to change my username to Womenloving

I stopped visiting, reading and posting here some time ago when lots of us left over the same issue.

If we'd stayed things may not have gotten this bad, so please, from an ex flounder who chose to come back to defend and fight yesterday's attack side by side. Don't leave. It means they've won.

Oh Antique Olive, I feel the same! I am new here, didn't lurk for long because I couldn't keep quiet about this. Your voice is as relevant as anyone's. You don't have to be humorous or a terrific writer, some are and that's wonderful. Please do post.

There's an awful lot of rumour and speculation going on and I'm not sure how much is based on fact.

Two threads in the first page of feminism chat are claiming MNHW is shutting down feminists, but they're both by someone newish who got the standard warning for one and didn't realise threads close at 1000 posts on the other.

I'm thinking a lot of it is hyperbole tbh.

im not leaving although im fucked off with this new policy.

I used to be SO supportive of trans-rights, but shitting all over womens rights is what is happening now. Men really can mobilise when they want to I guess. They always have, and this is no different

I wonder if this will spark a column this week

Entrepreneurs here, can a competition site be set?

There are rumblings, if things keep going the way they are going. And it would not be commercially sponsored. No fish fingers or anything.

Mumsnet has hundreds of thousands of users. A few hundred of us leaving will not make them quake in their boots any more than the Labour Party with hundreds of thousands of members is worried about 300 women leaving.

We can be very effective despite our numbers but only if we keep speaking out in arenas that have a very wide reach.

Setting up our own forum would risk being little more than a like-minded bubble.

Stay and speak out!

I'm going nowhere. I love Mumsnet. It will take more than a few arses in a basement to scare me off

I'm a bit conflicted. Been here a long time, been suspended during a particularly trigger happy moderation era, seen pronoun policing followed by a relaxation.

But it is wearing.

I know MNHQ tread a fine line, but sometimes they get it so badly wrong that I wonder if they are facilitating harm more than good.

They make a huge profit. They could if they wished use some to establish a strong legal team that is set up to defend attacks on free speech, that USE the law as it stands for now whilst it still does protect us.
Instead there is so much capitulation that I worry we are helping lay the groundwork for more restrictive laws to be ushered in.
If a site of 12 million behaves as if 'misgendering' is already a crime, it becomes so much easier to argue that this is already social convention and may as well be codified into law, with legal consequences like in New York and Canada.

I will say this for the trans movement - they are well funded. Not just by governments and charities, but by individuals and companies who are willing to fund what they want to see.

And I realise that women and their rights do not have correspondingly wealthy philanthropists and corporations ready to fund their battles. Which is why to defend ourselves we have crowdfunders with hundreds of women donating a fiver.

If we lose our rights it won't be because there aren't enough people in support of us, or because we are in the wrong.
It will be because those who have the power and the financial clout to help us don't.

I think someone needs to engineer a test case in New York, btw. (Waves to American Mumsnetters!) If it went to the Supreme Court it would be overturned, no question. You do not fuck with free speech in the US, the constitution is completely unequivocal on that point (and oh how I wish we had a similar constitutional right here).