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Shon Faye hassling mumsnet

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SunsetBeetch · 02/05/2018 13:59

twitter.com/shonfaye/status/991568961513893888?s=19

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therealposieparker · 03/05/2018 21:52

He makes a peep in my latest video

MarvelleGazelle · 03/05/2018 21:57

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SirVixofVixHall · 03/05/2018 21:57

Great video Posie.

Jeriko · 03/05/2018 22:01

SF's quote in full.
"I'm a woman because I say I am. Sorry you've lost. Even [the] law says so. Enjoy [yo]ur erasure." (Correct punctuation mine)

Note the "you/r" as opposed to "we/our" pronouns? Seemingly, SF doesn't genuinely feel included in this erasure of a demographic SF claims to belong to. Very odd. Not odd.

Oh and the law says nothing of the sort. Quite the opposite in fact.

So I'd just like to dedicate this wee ditty to all US bad-ass sisters enjoying OUR Erasure today (Oohoo sometimes …). Heeeeeeeeeeeeee (Charles Aznevour) even throws in a coupla "her"s for good measure.

Amalfimamma · 03/05/2018 22:03

@MarvelleGazelle or indeed is it a request he be dragged? Or his drag races? Knowing shon it could mean 50 different things over the course of 10 minutes.

But there is no denying he is indeed an influencer. Every time I see his mug I'm influenced to buy a remmies in bulk

Amalfimamma · 03/05/2018 22:05

@therealposieparker great vodeo and keep upmthe foght xx

therealposieparker · 03/05/2018 22:07

Wine thanks

IdentifiesAsMiddleAged · 03/05/2018 22:10

Thanks Posie

Great video

whoositwhatsit · 03/05/2018 22:44

Hi everyone. I set up the MumsnetTransphobia twitter accounts yesterday. Only going to post this once then leave so won't be reading replies as I don't want to create a big argument - this is not about me. But wanted to clear a few things up for those of you who are interested as there seem to be a fair few misconceptions about the aims of the account. Clearly there's no way of proving that, you'll just have to take my word for it. But here are some answers to some of the questions on this thread.

(1) The MumsnetTransphobia account (both of them) had nothing at all to do with Shon Faye. We got in contact with her to know it was up in case she wanted to send onto us any posts that were attacking her personally. We did the same with lots of people, many of whom sent us posts that they believed to be transphobic, either directed at them or others.

(2) As very clearly stated on the Twitter page, there were two aims of the account. Firstly, to highlight that transphobia does exist on Mumsnet. I had personally had a number of arguments over the weekend with people denying that transphobia was happening on Mumsnet at all. This does not mean that I think every post discussing trans issues is transphobic. But some posts are, and it felt important to shine a light on these and show that it is happening and isn't ok. Secondly, Mumsnet has a team of moderators who are trying very hard to wade through enormous numbers of posts every day to identify the minority that cross the line into hate speech, and it seemed that having one place to pool these would make their lives easier.

(3) This has absolutely nothing to do with shutting down debate. It's to do with making Mumsnet a place where real debate can happen, without people having to be afraid of being personally attacked if they get involved. Free speech is not hate speech.

(4) Mumsnet was not 'targeted' by the feed. It would be fantastic if someone could set up similar ways of reporting hate speech for all the sites mentioned (Reddit, Pistonheads etc.). I don't know much about those sites beyond their reputations, but I admit I do expect that sort of grim stuff from them, and hold the Mumsnet community to a higher standard. Maybe that's a bad double standard to have? I don't know. But Mumsnet is my people - it's a place of extraordinary support for women, for debate and comfort and humour and support. I joined three years ago while TTC, and it's helped me through miscarriage and pregnancy and birth and breastfeeding and it feels like my home. Over the last few months I've felt increasingly uncomfortable with the level of hate speech and bullying that now feels endemic across the site. I don't want bigotry to force out the voices of those who feel unable to join discussions for fear of being personally targeted.

(5) I did, idiotically, lock myself out of the original Twitter account. This was partly because I had not linked it to either my mobile or email, to try to keep it as anonymous (/safe) as possible. My best guess is that I mistyped the original password - I was breastfeeding at the time and therefore not totally concentrating. I considered packing it in at that point, but so many people had got in touch to say they appreciated the ability to report posts that it felt worth giving it another go.

(6) Within the first hour or so more messages came in than I was able to deal with. A few other people on Twitter, who I did not know before, offered to help out. Late last night, I started receiving aggressive and/or threatening messages. One of these referred to me as a 'misogynist d*ckhead', which is so ridiculously wide of the mark. My entire career has focused on supporting vulnerable women and children. I am a feminist to my very bones. Creating and promoting safe spaces for women, which includes protections from hate speech, is a fundamental part of that.

(7) So, I took a break overnight. This afternoon one of the collaborators on the feed received personal threatening messages from someone who had - despite her best efforts - discovered who she was. She was worried enough for her safety and mine that she closed down the feed. Having experienced just a little of her world for 24 hours, I don't blame her.

Again, you'll just have to take my word for all this, and I'm sure many of you won't. But there we have it.

therealposieparker · 03/05/2018 22:48

Wow.

Do you thought you would "help" by setting up accounts that highlight the very same thing Mumsnet is being bullied for. Are you smoking crack???

This is a gift to bullies.

And what is transphobia to you? What does it mean exactly? And who are you to be the judge and jury over women's language.

I'm completely disgusted by your behaviour. Enjoy erasing women.

God I feel incensed by such stupidity.

therealposieparker · 03/05/2018 22:49

So

cistersofterfy · 03/05/2018 22:50

this is not about me

Hmm
NotTerfNorCis · 03/05/2018 22:50

I didn't know you could set up a Twitter account without a phone number. Can anyone tell me how it's done?

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 03/05/2018 22:50

Just ignore posie

People like that aren't interested in other peoples views

They even said they wouldn't read replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/05/2018 22:52

Personal threatening messages of the type that many gender critical people on Twitter get all the time? I don't condone aggression in language but I do think that's very different from threats of violence.

If you're still reading you might like to know that your tone on that Twitter account is extraordinarily patronising.

thebewilderness · 03/05/2018 22:55

whoositwhatsit
What a despicable person you are. And a very poor liar.

OlennasWimple · 03/05/2018 22:56

so many people had got in touch to say they appreciated the ability to report posts that it felt worth giving it another go.

Because there's no other way to get in touch with MN other than through this Twitter feed Hmm

Have you apologised to the two MNers who have been particularly badly affected by this? Particularly the one who received death threats and ill-wishes to her unborn baby?

whoositwhatsit · 03/05/2018 22:56

@therealposieparker We're never going to agree on this. The account was set up to highlight transphobia and hate speech, as defined both in law and by Mumsnet's own guidelines, and help Mumsnet to identify it. Tackling hate speech is not erasing women.

therealposieparker · 03/05/2018 22:56

Whoo also blocked me.

I hope their IP address is permanently banned.

Gutless behaviour.

thebewilderness · 03/05/2018 22:57

The transgender advocates have stated repeatedly that women's rights are anti trans. So anything to do with women's rights is transphobic.

whoositwhatsit · 03/05/2018 22:57

@thebewilderness Yep I am indeed an awful liar, which is why I don't lie about this stuff.

whoositwhatsit · 03/05/2018 22:58

@NotTerfNorCis. Sorry, you're right - I did have to use my phone number originally to set it up - they text a code to confirm. When you're in, you can then delete the number in the settings page.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/05/2018 22:58

whoositwhatsit

I saw the examples you posted - most from 2016 - and they weren't transphobic at all. Saying transwomen are transwomen is not transphobic, it's fact.

therealposieparker · 03/05/2018 22:58

Which specific parts are hate speech?

Come on now.

You know what you've done. You've tried to help out the narcissists ... you've chosen your side. I hope you're banned and really really need help and have no MN resource.

Saying a woman doesn't have a penis isn't transphobic.

thebewilderness · 03/05/2018 22:59

There is no justification for setting a pack of evil men on a pregnant woman.