Danielle Muscato

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DM has posted this - apparently the best way to “beat terfs” is to give DM money - seriously, what is their logic?!?

I agree that being nasty about DMs appearance doesn't help, however Muscato is campaigning to be allowed in women's safe spaces such as toilets and change rooms while (until recently) appearing wholly as a man and claiming that any challenges to somone who looks like them (wholly masculine) is bigotry.
That's not about the safety of tw in toilets because they appear female, it's about men who look like any other male wanting the right to enter places where women are vulnerable without being challenged.
I do think that Muscato looking masculine is relevant to the conversation.

Did someone post something nasty. I missed that.

I've just read through. There is no nasty comment.

I don't give a shit what Muscato looks like and I think there is no possible justification - in a sane and stable society - for anything Muscato represents. The only value I can see is in exposing the utter shit show the so-called left has become in Western societies. Want to bring down Western global dominance? Social constructionism for the win.

Preferred pronouns equates to forcing women to lie, denying reality to placate men. I find it abusive, especially with regards to this horrible individual.

My point is that Danielle Muscato isn't self ID'd: she is diagnosed dysphoric. I don't believe that she is female, but I will address her as such as long as it is diagnosed and required.

If someone is diagnosed as anorexic because, although they are very thin, they believe themself to be too fat, I will not go along with it and encourage that delusion.
Why is body dysphoria different from that?

Preferred pronouns equates to forcing women to lie, denying reality to placate men. I find it abusive, especially with regards to this horrible individual.
I disagree. Preferred pronouns are the same as preferred titles. It's a courtesy, that's all.
I prefer Ms or Dr to Mrs, though I am a married woman. If someone deliberately called me Mrs and put emphasis on that I'd be unlikely to engage with them in a reasoned discussion as they were rude from the off.
I think that Danielle Muscato is the least of our worries tbh.

There are so many things that need to be considered as part of the self-ID debate and the mass gender-changes that our (young adult) children are embracing right now, in spite of advise from psychologists and Drs, and we seem to be self defeating by insulting everyone before a discussion has even begun.

I also strongly disagree with the TRA position that deliberate misgendering is violence. It isn't violent, but it is rude and unlikely to open a discussion.
And we need a discussion.

With any other fixed delusion psychiatric treatment would be suggested. If DM had an eating disorder or was hearing voices from God or had decided his right leg was not really his, there would be no question that he was unwell. But because he is stating that he is really a she he gets treated as entirely rational

Yes

No discussion is wanted by transactivists. They want compliance.

I think I read somewhere that the reason DM doesn’t look more ‘feminine’ is because they can’t take medication due to other health issues. I think they also might’ve been homeless at one time, so likely don’t have much money. It therefore seems really cruel to taunt them because of their appearance.

I also wonder why it’s ok for Posie Parker to ask for money on social media, but not DM? Double standards?

Asking for money for one clearly specified purpose (legal defence fund) is very different indeed from asking for money to pay for day to day living expenses.

Otherwise all the people who ask for sponsorship for doing the marathon would be in trouble.

DM seems to have gone through some sort of mental crisis, which led directly to losing a good job and a home. I'm sorry for anyone who goes through this, but when your own parents have to take a restraining order out to get you out of the house, there's something very wrong.

If DM does suffer from MH issues then that’s all the more reason to be compassionate and not cruel.

I also wasn’t referring to PP’s crowdfunder for legal costs (am I right in thinking it had to be taken down as it was, ironically, illegal?), but the new crowdfunder/ PayPal page she’s set up since.

I am only using the so-called 'preferred pronouns'/avoidance tactics under duress, because of the talk guidelines here. It nearly did my head in to amend all the pronouns above.

It goes well beyond being polite, it is an imposition for women, who know reality, being forced to go along with this societal-constructed lie.

It's important to talk about DM because DM was claiming to be a woman even when DM sported a full beard. DM took a place in a woman's refuge. DM told women to suck DM's dick.

We do all agree that being pretty is not a prerequisite to being a woman. Being female is though and being asked to confirm DH is a woman is the highest order of the Emperor's new clothes. Women are entitled to point this out.

Total agreement Flora.

DM's lack of doing anything, other than eventually shaving beard, being told 'DM is a woman now' - is the very illustration of the Emperor's New Clothes.

So it comes around full circle - what makes a woman? In DM's case, self declaration. And no, I don't believe he had any (rubbish anyway) diagnosis of 'gender dysphoria'.

Failure to live up to unrealistic expectations will result in the removal of the entire thread. You have been threatened warned.

Hilarious.

Being paid to be an activist when women are working, writing, tweeting and organising because they actually believe in liberty for women!

I can't imagine anyone being attracted to anyone because of their 'female pronouns'; but whether anyone is attracted to this person in the opening post, or not, is entirely up to them. Being female is not about whether other people find you attractive or not.

Preferred pronouns are the same as preferred titles. It's a courtesy, that's all.

Can’t wait to tell SIL about her Christmas card envelope literal violence.

Yeah you're a fool if you pander to even the 'preferred pronoun' bollocks.

No discussion is wanted by transactivists. They want compliance.

This sums up the entire thing. Compliance. Do as I say or else.

How can people not see through this shit?

No discussion is wanted by transactivists. They want compliance.

Yes, exactly. The word 'woman' yesterday, the word 'female' tomorrow, all of our spaces, all of the time. If NATALT, then the so-called majority of reasonable trans need to speak out about their 'leaders'. I guarantee, that all so-called TERFs would go along with the 'we want to just live our lives' line, if that were entirely true. None of us wishes them any harm, and we all agree they deserve full human rights. Just NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OURS. That is our bottom line, and we won't STFU about it until that is all it is.

Bottom line, if you want to take our few rights and protections away, you actually DO have a fight on your hands. Make no mistake.

I feel a 'questioning under caution' coming on.

I don't care any more TBH if that's what it takes to enable us to keep mobilising on mumsnet.

If we have to do that I will just use initials and it will look odd. It will stand out and we will all know why I am being forced against my will to use such language.

I will never call a man she ever again after all this.

They won't be forcing me to do anything.

Bumping, muscato has been arrested on numerous drug charges. Obviously this is the fault of the police and there is currently a crowd funder

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1405216658457780225

Crowdfunder says Danielle was "Targeted at a traffic stop due to being trans". Which would seem a bit harsh as being trans at a traffic stop isn't illegal in the USA.

55k is quite a high bail, surely? Does that mean that whatever Danielle was caught with at the traffic lights was more than just "cooking equimpment"?